Confederate Statues

Norah said:
I think the difficulty is that what’s offensive to some people isn’t offensive to others. How do you go about determining which side gets their way based on a subjective opinion?
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One way to minimize the total amount of offense would be to localize the decision-making. So, for example, if there's a confederate monument in a neighborhood that mostly consists of older conservative white people, there probably aren't going to be many people confronting it every day and suffering offense.... and the same would be true, on the flip side, if there's a monument to Malcolm X in a liberal, majority-black community. The issue I highlighted at the top of this thread is that the state tried to seize control at that level, which results in a relatively liberal university community in a right-wing state having no realistic legal way to remove an offensive white-supremacist monument in their midst.
 
Oneuli said:
One way to minimize the total amount of offense would be to localize the decision-making. So, for example, if there's a confederate monument in a neighborhood that mostly consists of older conservative white people, there probably aren't going to be many people confronting it every day and suffering offense.... and the same would be true, on the flip side, if there's a monument to Malcolm X in a liberal, majority-black community. The issue I highlighted at the top of this thread is that the state tried to seize control at that level, which results in a relatively liberal university community in a right-wing state having no realistic legal way to remove an offensive white-supremacist monument in their midst.
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The students handled that.
 
Racist statues put up to spite the freedom riders should automatically be destroyed, surely?
 
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Grumpy said:
"In 1961, President John Kennedy issued executive order 10925, which created the Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity and mandated that federally funded projects take "affirmative action" to insure that hiring and employment practices were free of racial bias."

In the beginning affirmative action was a good law. But then like all good laws it was bastardized and became a quota system. Thankfully we have matured and no longer need to treat one segment of society differently.
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The quota era was an excellent one, in terms of actual progress. For example, look at the change in the poverty rate for blacks between 1959 and 1978. They went from 55.1% to 30.6%. That's almost three times as much improvement, in less than twenty years, than in the forty years since then.
 
Oneuli said:
The quota era was an excellent one, in terms of actual progress. For example, look at the change in the poverty rate for blacks between 1959 and 1978. They went from 55.1% to 30.6%. That's almost three times as much improvement, in less than twenty years, than in the forty years since then.
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That's the problem for some. Progress.
 
racists like racist statues


note they don't cry tears for the Black American history they have stripped from our books
 
Oneuli said:
The quota era was an excellent one, in terms of actual progress. For example, look at the change in the poverty rate for blacks between 1959 and 1978. They went from 55.1% to 30.6%. That's almost three times as much improvement, in less than twenty years, than in the forty years since then.
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Now I disagree on quotas period. The military had to lower entrance requirements to a point that we were using cartoon like books for our tech data so some of the troops could understand it. Plus I think it's inherently unfair to not allow equal competition to all groups, but give bonus points for race or gender. I have other horror stories of people being put into jobs they couldn't do just to meet a quota.
 
Grumpy said:
Now I disagree on quotas period. The military had to lower entrance requirements to a point that we were using cartoon like books for our tech data so some of the troops could understand it. Plus I think it's inherently unfair to not allow equal competition to all groups, but give bonus points for race or gender. I have other horror stories of people being put into jobs they couldn't do just to meet a quota.
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I know, look at our president. We had one half black guy for two terms and folk freaked, so we elected a substandard idiot, but he's white, so we went fer it.
 
Grumpy said:
Now I disagree on quotas period. The military had to lower entrance requirements to a point that we were using cartoon like books for our tech data so some of the troops could understand it. Plus I think it's inherently unfair to not allow equal competition to all groups, but give bonus points for race or gender. I have other horror stories of people being put into jobs they couldn't do just to meet a quota.
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I recall reading about military standards being dropped pretty dramatically in the Bush years due to the military becoming much less attractive in the face of his disastrous war on Iraq. Was there a decline in standards before that? Do you have a record of that? I'd be interested to see the timing -- e.g., was it related to the Vietnam malaise?
 
Oneuli said:
I recall reading about military standards being dropped pretty dramatically in the Bush years due to the military becoming much less attractive in the face of his disastrous war on Iraq. Was there a decline in standards before that? Do you have a record of that? I'd be interested to see the timing -- e.g., was it related to the Vietnam malaise?
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It is related to the fact the the US has not used it's military for defense since WWII, but rather as an avenue for corporate welfare and the public sees through that. This is also why public funding has been diverted toward pro sports event displays/homages/advertisements to/for the power of the militarist police state state.
 
Oneuli said:
As you know, I've said nothing at all about being scared (or about being a boy, for that matter). What I've said is that I'd like to see these public spaces be used to honor things worth honoring, rather than being used to celebrate reprehensible things. Don't you agree that would be better?
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You were identified as being scared and a boy. Whether you agree is irrelevant.

The problem with what you say is that you're determining for others what is worth honoring and what isn't. I don't agree with you doing that.
 
CFM said:
You were identified as being scared and a boy. Whether you agree is irrelevant.

The problem with what you say is that you're determining for others what is worth honoring and what isn't. I don't agree with you doing that.
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We're all real sorry for your loss hon. Know any mournful banjo tunes of longing for the old Antebellum planter aristocracy?
 
LV426 said:
Yes, it did because it was owned by the State.




MLK wasn't a traitor who renounced the US and its Constitution.




MLK didn't betray the nation. Confederates did.
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No, you're justifying something because you agree with what a bunch of fucking pussies just like you did.

There are people that don't like MLK. According to you, that means it's OK to tear down his statues.
 
CFM said:
No, you're justifying something because you agree with what a bunch of fucking pussies just like you did.

There are people that don't like MLK. According to you, that means it's OK to tear down his statues.
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Go ahead, you know you wanna.
 
LV426 said:
So...OK...so you bring up Robert Byrd, ignorant of his renunciation of his past, and then completely abandon him the moment you realize how you've been talking out of your ass.

Robert Byrd renounced his racist past and supported Obama. So when are you going to renounce your racism? Robert Byrd is a better man than you ever will be, even though he was a Klan member.
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I'm well aware he claimed to have done so. I addressed Byrd's actions. If you can't understand that, perhaps you're just stupid. Stupid and a coward is no way to go through life, son.



I don't have racism to denounce. I've explained why the use of the term that gets you triggered isn't racist.
 
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