Confederate Statues

CFM said:
Stop blaming it for why blacks falls so far behind whites today. If it's not an issue, stop making it one.
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Slavery became Jim Crow which became mass incarceration.

And that's because we didn't kill enough Southerners after the Civil War.
 
LV426 said:
Right, but why do you need a monument to them? They're not a good part of our history, and certainly lack the virtue to be memorialized.

So you seem to be arguing that if Confederate statues are removed, people will forget they fought a war for slavery and lost?
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You do understand a statue is not always a monument and monuments are not always statues.
 
Heff said:
Then why the hell would you keep the name if it was the party of slavery, racism, white supremacy? Seems a little contradictory.
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WAS

Liberals took it over.

Like how the Republican Party used to be a party of federal authority over the states...until southern white losers took it over.
 
LV426 said:
Slavery became Jim Crow which became mass incarceration.

And that's because we didn't kill enough Southerners after the Civil War.
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Mass incarceration among blacks is because they commit a disproportionate number of crimes.

We? Are you that old?
 
Jack said:
We have Civil War Battlefields, the Statues/Monuments could go there. I would bet there are Civil War Cemeteries? Museums are good places for historical items.
Americans fighting Americans, ... I'd say that is pretty unique
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Plenty of countries go through Civil Wars.

None of them erect monuments to those who lost the wars.

So we are unique in that fragile white racists need participation trophies.
 
LV426 said:
You seem to think that tearing down the Confederate monuments is to erase the Civil War. It's not. It's erasing the post-hoc legacy of the losers of that war. And that's what you should do to losers. Particularly losers who are also traitors.
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So when do you plan on getting the monument to Benediction Arnold removed?
 
CFM said:
You don't know what you believe. I asked the same question in two different ways. In the first one you said someone denouncing their citizenship in the U.S. and establishing it somewhere else was treason. In the second question, which was the same one, you said you didn't care whether or not they left, "so let them go".
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Because none of them declared war on the United States.

So you have this really bad habit of selectively reading and responding.

You should get that checked out, because it's probably a symptom of mental illness.


Are you still mad your ancestors were owned by white people, boy?
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I'm not black. So...I don't know what you think this racist statement proves. All I need from you is one slip-up about your personal life and I can go scour the internet and background check you, then send all these shit posts of yours to your boss. I bet he wouldn't like them.
 
LV426 said:
The statues weren't from the Civil War. They weren't built by Civil War veterans. They were erected by Southern racists for the purpose of memorializing their white supremacy long after the war had ended.

That's literally the reason given by the guy who erected the Silent Sam statue.
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But if the NC Historical commission recognizes it as an historical artifact—an historical artifact it is. Regardless of whether it’s good history or bad history or the *historical* objectives in placing the statue.

I don’t care for it’s history either. But I don’t advocate vigilantism and the destruction of property either. I condemn them both.
 
CFM said:
Are you saying people denouncing their citizenship in the U.S. and establishing it somewhere else is treason?

The number choosing to expatriate annually has been steadily rising since 2012. Leading up to the 2016 election, several countries promoted themselves as destinations for people wanting to leave the U.S. Do you consider them traitors?
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Dumb Ass the Confederate Government tried to start a Country on the USA!
 
anatta said:
Have you ever been to Gettysburg? or seen Civil war monuments to battles or soldiers?
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Yes. But me knowing that the South lost the war isn't influenced one iota by those. The question is; why is your knowledge limited to just statues and monuments? Do you not know what a book is? You do all your learning by looking at bronze sculptures?


No. I'm not going to explain anything to you. It's like talking to a rock
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Try me.
 
noise said:
Like I said take it out of the hands of the hotheads ( such as yourself) and get the true historical perspective
of each monument
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And leave it in the hands of possibly-biased individuals? A far better idea is putting them in museums or a dedicated sculpture park or the like, where those who might be offended can avoid them.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And leave it in the hands of possibly-biased individuals? A far better idea is putting them in museums or a dedicated sculpture park or the like, where those who might be offended can avoid them.
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a historical commission is not a "biased individual" . these are folks who look at the pedigree of the monument -when it was built and placed , by whom, and dedication, and any other history they can find on it.

IOWs it is a thorough examination of the history of the statue.
That way a recommendation can be made based on the facts of each monument.
Some get torn down, some moved, some stay in place - but that is done on the merits of each situation -
not mob rule, and political motivations
 
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