Congratu-fucking-lations, RIAA

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911 EVERY DAY
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2200570/riaa-wins-file-sharing-test


The US record industry won a key victory in court this week after a Minnesota woman was found guilty of copyright infringement and ordered to pay $220,000 to six music labels.

The courtroom battle between single mother Jammie Thomas, 30, and the recording industry is an important test case because it is the first time that a consumer has elected to forgo settlement and argue the case before a jury.

Thomas was accused of the illegal sharing of more than 1,700 songs on peer-to-peer network Kazaa. The charge was later cut to 24 songs.

The woman claimed in her defence that she has never used Kazaa and does not have a Kazaa account.

The case could set a dangerous precedent, in that the owner of an internet account could be held responsible for any file sharing taking place from that connection, such as children using a family computer.

Around 26,000 people are thought to have been sued by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) since 2003, almost all of whom have settled out of court for a few thousand dollars.

However, many industry watchers expect that the case is far from over and that an appeal is likely.

The case also highlighted some curious thinking by the record companies. For example, an executive for Sony BMG stated that the act of copying a music track from a CD to a media player is an act of theft.

"When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song," said Jennifer Pariser, head of litigation and anti-piracy at Sony BMG.

Making a "copy" of a purchased song, she said, is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'".

Pariser also acknowledged that the money spent on lawsuits such as this is not being recovered from the pirates, and that the RIAA is making a loss.

When questioned on the stand Pariser admitted that the recording industry had no idea how much money it had lost to file sharing.
 
This is really great for your image, guys. Sue a mother of two who never used a file sharing program for slightly more than her NW.

The RIAA are a bunch of souless bastards and should just go shoot themselves. They're worthless to society.
 
How do they know its you're account? Where do they get the information from?
 
How do they know its you're account? Where do they get the information from?

Hey Tiana, where have you been? Busy working?

I don't even know what they mean by file-sharing, seriously. I was going to ask Water, but then I thought, everyone probably knows what it is and I'll look really dumb. I have an itunes account, and I buy all of my songs there.
 
How do they know its you're account? Where do they get the information from?

They petition the courts for the identity of your IP address from the courts. This is done without your presence. Such requests are rarely given in real life, because it's grossly unfair to have a trial without the defendant present, but our legal system bends over backwards for THE IRAA every time they ask. The ISP has entire devisions devoted to hading over these ISP's to the IRAA whenever they ask for them through subpeona - they have it recorded who was assigned to each ISP at every time.

Then they come to your house and sue your for slightly more than you'll ever make in your life. They usually target college students. The IRAA is known to suggest to college students that they drop out of college or go to community college in order to pay off the fine.
 
Hey Tiana, where have you been? Busy working?

I don't even know what they mean by file-sharing, seriously. I was going to ask Water, but then I thought, everyone probably knows what it is and I'll look really dumb. I have an itunes account, and I buy all of my songs there.

Limewire's file-sharing, ITunes isn't. You can tell whenever you're getting it for free. ;)
 
Limewire's file-sharing, ITunes isn't. You can tell whenever you're getting it for free. ;)

LOl Yeah. But what is file sharing? Would it be as if, I knew how to upload my itunes library to a website, and offered it to others for free? And then they did the same?
 

Okay. I got it. I've never been to a site like that, and I think if anyone here has been, they better stop. They are obviously looking to make examples out of people. You'd be better off shop-lifting cd's and loading them on to your mp3 player. The fine is a lot less if you get caught.
 
Okay. I got it. I've never been to a site like that, and I think if anyone here has been, they better stop. They are obviously looking to make examples out of people. You'd be better off shop-lifting cd's and loading them on to your mp3 player. The fine is a lot less if you get caught.

Heavy fines are the governments way of saying "I suck and I can't enforce this, I think I'm going to pass it off on the random people I am able to find".

And no, it's nothing like what you said.
 
There are tens of millions of filesharers in the US. The government does little to find them. To compensate for that by upping the fine to a ridiculous level is morally bankrupt. The government is the criminal in such a case.
 
There are tens of millions of filesharers in the US. The government does little to find them. To compensate for that by upping the fine to a ridiculous level is morally bankrupt. The government is the criminal in such a case.
The heavy fine becomes a deterrent. Very few believe that it would be worth it to pay over 200K for ripping CDs.
 
The heavy fine becomes a deterrent. Very few believe that it would be worth it to pay over 200K for ripping CDs.

Enforcement should be used as a deterrent, ridiculous, unjust, muderous fines NEVER should be used to replace that. You're a robber yourself if you select out a few as an example because you're inept at law enforcement.

This is just like in the middle ages, whenever the secular authorities shoved out the death penalty for the 2 or 3 people out of 100 they did catch stealing because the government was too inept to be able to enforce the laws properly.
 
A record company loses at most 0.1 dollars per a song on a download (assuming that all songs downloaded equals a sale lost, which isn't true at all). Tell me how it is just to charge a fine of 20,000 on that?

People who perform armed robbery don't get such fines.
 
What I'm wondering is why there's such a difference in the fines between stealing real property and "stealing" government created fake intellectual property? Why do you support such absolute, obvious, injustice?

Is it because of the lobbying industry?
 
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What I'm wondering is why there's such a difference in the fines between stealing real property and "stealing" government created fake intellectual property? Why do you support such absolute, obvious, injustice?

Is it because of the lobbying industry?
Oh... You thought I supported it? That would be different. I just gave the reason they give such hefty fines.
 
IMO, this is like the Buggy Whip companies desperately attempting to keep their business in a changing world. Record Companies will be useless as they currently are in the future, if they do not change with the times then they will go the way of the Buggy Whip...
 
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