congress says Russia helped Trumpy

Grugore said:
How did Russia ruin the election? Oh. I see. Hillary lost. That's why you're wigging out. Ahh...a bag of roasted peanuts, a cold beer, and a triggered liberal going ballistic. Doesn't get any better than this.
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by spreading lies allover the nation idiot
 
evince said:
you have been provided the evidence


you just keep pretending its not there
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You keep pretending that Hillary ever had a chance of winning. She had the MSM and Hollywood on her side, plus millions of fraudulent votes. She outspent Trump at least two to one, and she still lost. Lolol. She couldn't even buy the election. How pathetic.
 
Grugore said:
In order to take any of this seriously, you would have to produce at least one voter who would admit to being influenced into voting for Trump.
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Why do you think ex-KGB Colonel Putin went to that trouble if it had no effect? He isn't a novice at this, you know. He's tried it in other countries. We can assume it had some effect, we just can't say how much.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Why do you think ex-KGB Colonel Putin went to that trouble if it had no effect? He isn't a novice at this, you know. He's tried it in other countries. We can assume it had some effect, we just can't say how much.
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Once again, so what? No crime has been committed. And Putin did us a favor. Anyone who prefers Hillary over Trump doesn't deserve to live in this country.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Is THAT what this quibbling from the Trumpers is all about? Putin's cyber goons tried to swing the election for Trump, but we don't know for sure that it worked? That's pathetic!

Nobody has ever been able to answer that question for sure. It may never be answered.

Then we hear again from noise that Bill Clinton advised Yeltsin twenty years ago, so it doesn't matter what skulduggery Putin may have gotten up to. Yeah yeah, heard it before - and it doesn't improve with repetition.
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Indeed, one cannot understand US-Russian relations today without acknowledging America’s role in the internal affairs of its defeated cold war foe. As Stephen Cohen puts it, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the approach of US advisers “was nothing less than missionary – a virtual crusade to transform post-communist Russia into some facsimile of the American democratic and capitalist system”.

As soon as Bill Clinton assumed the White House in 1993, his experts discussed “formulating a policy of American tutelage”, including unabashed partisan support for President Boris Yeltsin. “Political missionaries and evangelists, usually called ‘advisers’, spread across Russia in the early and mid-1990s,” notes Cohen: many were funded by the US government. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser, talked of Russia “increasingly passing into de facto western receivership”.

It is even alleged that, in 2011, Putin’s key ally – then-president Dmitry Medvedev – privately suggested the election was rigged. In the run-up to the election, Russia was granted a huge US-backed IMF loan that – as the New York Times noted at the time – was “expected to be helpful to President Boris N Yeltsin in the presidential election”.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...dling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Why do you think ex-KGB Colonel Putin went to that trouble if it had no effect? He isn't a novice at this, you know. He's tried it in other countries. We can assume it had some effect, we just can't say how much.
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There are more recent examples too. Take the military overthrow of Honduras’ Manuel Zelaya in 2009. The then secretary of state – a certain Hillary Clinton – refused to describe the toppling of Zelaya as a “military coup”, which would have required the suspension of US aid, including to the armed forces. Rather than call for Zelaya’s reinstatement, Clinton called for new elections. US assistance – including military aid – continued as dissidents were treated brutally; as death squads re-emerged; as violence against LGBT people surged; and as widely boycotted unfair elections took place.

Allegations of Russian interference in the US elections are undoubtedly alarming, but there’s a double standard at play. Meddling in foreign democracies only becomes a problem when the US is on the receiving end. The US has interfered with impunity in the internal affairs of so many other countries. The day that all such interference is seen for what it is – a democratic outrage, unworthy of any great nation – will be a great day indeed.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...dling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump

...this when we weren't invading or bombing other nations into regime change as well (libya/Iraq/Afghanistan)
 
then there is Chinese hacking...nobody ever talks abut that widespread interference..
much more corrosive then troll farms
 
Grugore said:
Once again, so what? No crime has been committed.
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You folks keep parroting that but you don't know. It depends on all sorts of things, like how the finance came here and where it went. Putin's operation had live agents working in this country. Course that sort of thing happens all the time, just ask noise, nothing for us MAGA patriots to see here.

And Putin did us a favor. Anyone who prefers Hillary over Trump doesn't deserve to live in this country.
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I know, you voted for a lying, unprincipled, ignorant POS because he's not Hillary. After all, Hillary is guilty of ... oh, Benghazi, Uranium One, the Clinton Foundation, all that other stuff you read about at Breitbart. Got it.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
You folks keep parroting that but you don't know. It depends on all sorts of things, like how the finance came here and where it went. Putin's operation had live agents working in this country. Course that sort of thing happens all the time, just ask noise, nothing for us MAGA patriots to see here.



I know, you voted for a lying, unprincipled, ignorant POS because he's not Hillary. After all, Hillary is guilty of ... oh, Benghazi, Uranium One, the Clinton Foundation, all that other stuff you read about at Breitbart. Got it.
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Typical liberal talking points. At least Trump hasn't commit any felonies. Can't say the same for Hillary.
 
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