Constitutional Challenges to Dem's Forced Socialist Healthcare

I can't believe that the party supposedly against corporate welfare are the party supporting the ultimate corporate welfare...
 
Dixie said:
Let me ask you this.... when the far-right ends up in power through the political vacuum this will cause, and the far-right-controlled Congress decides that homosexuals with AIDS, women seeking abortions, illegal aliens, drug addicts, and people with pre-existing illness in general, are NOT entitled to government-funded health care coverage, and there are no other options made available to these people... are you going to be okay with that? IF they manage to get this change made by bribing public officials and calling it "political sausage" and have to rely on procedural "deem and pass" rules to get it through... you gonna be content with that? I just want that on record NOW, so that when it happens, you won't be here bitching day and night about the Constitution being ignored. In fact, when Republicans take back control of Congress, pretty much anything they want to pass into law, is going to be passed, regardless of how solid the Democrat opposition is... no more of this "minority has a voice" shit... no more lectures on how our founders designed the system to give the minority a say and we are a representative republic and not a democracy... I don't want to hear those words ever come out of your mouth again after this! You have endorsed and sanctioned mob rule, and now you will live by it, by God!
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I would not be happy about it, I would not like it, but I would not make shit up about it being unconstitutionhal. I would fight to change the leadership in Washington....I would not take up arms againt the elected government. I also deny that this is mob rule, the majority is voting for the bill to be law!!! The MAJORITY, does that not mean anything to you?
 
I can't believe all the lame arguments (socialism, unconstitutional) if that was true SS and Medicare/Medicaid would have been ruled such a long time ago.

You're all just pissing up a rope. This country can't afford our pay or suffer system any longer and it will be corporate America that drives this reform against the business interest of the insurance industry because no company can afford to pay 20% of it's over head costs in insurance.

So spare us the hyperbole and the knee jerk right wing talking points. Most of you have demonstrated that you're clueless about this issue.

Reform is coming. Piss up a rope all you want to but it won't change a thing.
 
Dixtard is going to be upset for a long time. You kkk fuckers thought the same thing on black vote, ss, Medicare. What no reversals. Bahaha
more dixtard comedy to come. His head may explode when Obama gives the illegals amnesty.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
maybe you didn't study history, but for a long time ALL of the new deal programs were ruled unconstitutional. 'court packing scheme' much?
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Maybe you should study history. Are you trying to tell me that all these modern constitutional democracies around the world that have adopted UHC programs have been violating their own laws all these years or are utterly incapable of devising a legal system of health care reform that falls in the framework of their constitution? Are you telling me that we are incapable of doing so? What complete rubbish. That is utter nonsense and you know it.

The amazing thing is while this debate is going on, Insurance companies around the country are dramatically raising premiums, lowering coverage, instituting limits and caps, adding more exclusions all for higher and higher prices while dropping coverage for more and more "high risk" individuals.

What does it take to get it through your heads that providing a quality public health system that is affordable and accesable to meet the needs of the public is conflict of interest with maximizing profits for Wall Street?

How many families have to go bankrupt so that a handful on insurance executives can be extraordinarily wealthy? How many business have to choose between droping coverage for their employees or going bankrupt?

You're just simply insane if you don't think the public good outweighs the need for Wallstreet to maximize profits at the publics expense.

One way or the other a legal way will be found to implement health care reform in this nation. You can bank on that.
 
Dixie said:
Let me ask you this.... when the far-right ends up in power through the political vacuum this will cause, and the far-right-controlled Congress decides that

homosexuals with AIDS,
women seeking abortions,
illegal aliens,
drug addicts,
and people with pre-existing illness in general,

are NOT entitled to government-funded health care coverage, and there are no other options made available to these people... are you going to be okay with that? !
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Fascinating that you equate the rightwing agenda with denying public healthcare to AIDS victims, drug addicts, women seeking abortions, and people with pre-existing health conditions.

It's not often that rightwingers will accidentally reveal the black-hearted and souless cruelty of their inner thoughts and priorities.

My answer is unequivocally YES....I would be totally fine with the GOP offering up and voting for legislation to deny any public healthcare to AIDS victims, to people with pre-existing conditions, and to women who exercise their legal and constitutional right to reproductive choice. I'm fine with the GOP finally showing their core values and principles in a very public and unashamed way, to the american electorate.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Maybe you should study history. Are you trying to tell me that all these modern constitutional democracies around the world that have adopted UHC programs have been violating their own laws all these years or are utterly incapable of devising a legal system of health care reform that falls in the framework of their constitution? Are you telling me that we are incapable of doing so? What complete rubbish. That is utter nonsense and you know it.
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what is nonsense is trying to equate other nations governments and laws with ours and expecting them to be equal. you and I both know that is not the case. To even think that they are is borderline insane.

Mott the Hoople said:
The amazing thing is while this debate is going on, Insurance companies around the country are dramatically raising premiums, lowering coverage, instituting limits and caps, adding more exclusions all for higher and higher prices while dropping coverage for more and more "high risk" individuals.
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lets see if you can comprehend what some of us have been saying for decades. Insurance companies WERE a risk/reward proposition. They knew it, the government knew it, and back then the people knew it. NOW, because they've bought and paid for republican and democrat politicians and lobbyists, the PEOPLE think that insurance is some sort of right or guarantee to absolve themselves of critical thinking and responsibility. YOU, I say again YOU, have had a hand in this by supporting this bullshit.

Mott the Hoople said:
What does it take to get it through your heads that providing a quality public health system that is affordable and accesable to meet the needs of the public is conflict of interest with maximizing profits for Wall Street?
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get people to stop going to emergency rooms with sniffles, or other some such nonsense when they can find themselves able to take care of themselves, STOP paying insurance company premiums, and I guarantee you that in order for insurance companies and medical care companies to make profit, they WILL lower their prices. econ 101 my friend.

Mott the Hoople said:
How many families have to go bankrupt so that a handful on insurance executives can be extraordinarily wealthy? How many business have to choose between droping coverage for their employees or going bankrupt?

You're just simply insane if you don't think the public good outweighs the need for Wallstreet to maximize profits at the publics expense.
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what is insane is you cowtowing to large corporate insurance conglomerates by mandating EVERYONE fork over money to them so they can become wealthier, and then pawning it off to the people as some sort of public benefit. why can't you get that through YOUR head?

Mott the Hoople said:
One way or the other a legal way will be found to implement health care reform in this nation. You can bank on that.
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i hope so, because it does need to be reformed. mandating that I buy a product to make others insurance more affordable isn't the way. If you do, and I refuse to comply, are you willing to have me killed?
 
Liberals want the government to control health care. Conservatives want the people to control health care.

I favor tort reform to decrease the cost of what is the best system going (except with respect to its cost). The high cost can be reduced by allowing insurance sales across state lines, by limiting the punitive damages in malpractice suits, by making the loser pay in all lawsuits...but these things would decrease the income of trial lawyers, something that the liberals dare not consider. Liberals will protect trials lawyers no matter what the consequences.

It is not that conservatives want people to die from lack of health care.

I have heard that the current plan will create some 53 new government bureaucracies (just think MORE GOVERNMENT JOBS FOR LAZY, INCOMPETENT UNION MEMBERS), place mandates on people and businesses, give the IRS unprecedented power to invade our lives monthly and disperse private information at will.

The bill is nothing but a tremendous power grab by the loony leftists in their march toward Marxism.

Obama is a Marxist. Republicans are correctly opposing his plan to ruiin the American way.

People that cannot realize this now will never realize it because they swoon under the influence of the silver tongued snake, Barack Hussein Obama.

Here you go, Obama!:321:
 
asaratis said:
Liberals want doctors and patients to control health care. Conservatives want the insurance companies to control health care.

It is true that conservatives want people to die from lack of health care.

Republicans are opposing the American way.

People that are racist will always oppose our beloved President Barack Hussein Obama.

Way to go, Obama!
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Fixed that for you, Conservatard.
 
Topspin said:
Dixtard is going to be upset for a long time. You kkk fuckers thought the same thing on black vote, ss, Medicare. What no reversals. Bahaha
more dixtard comedy to come. His head may explode when Obama gives the illegals amnesty.
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You see it too?

I read Dix's posts and if you look closely you can see little by little, the seething, all-consuming hatred and rage that emanates from him continues to bubble closer and closer to the surface.

We're finally getting to see the REAL. racist Dix in all his hateful, terroristic threat issuing glory.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You see it too?

I read Dix's posts and if you look closely you can see little by little, the seething, all-consuming hatred and rage that emanates from him continues to bubble closer and closer to the surface.

We're finally getting to see the REAL. racist Dix in all his hateful, terroristic threat issuing glory.
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LOL... I have no anger or rage, I am happy as a clam. You can call me names all you like, if it makes you feel better. The only race I am prejudiced against is the Pinhead race... Sorry, you aren't my equal!
 
SmarterThanYou said:
should a majority vote to pass a law that removes the warrant necessity in drug related cases be passed?
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Should a majority of States needed to ratify such an amendment, then yes, according to the constitution it should be passed. What you are talking about is a Consitutional right. Laws on the other hand ARE indeed passed when a majority of the reps and senators vote yay, and a president signs it into law.
 
Socrtease said:
Should a majority of States needed to ratify such an amendment, then yes, according to the constitution it should be passed. What you are talking about is a Consitutional right. Laws on the other hand ARE indeed passed when a majority of the reps and senators vote yay, and a president signs it into law.
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That is a rather simplistic view of how Congress works. Aside from certain special circumstances, like impeaching a president, most bills are passed with a simple majority vote... HOWEVER... the issue is not the actual "up or down" vote on the bill... in order for it to move to the floor for a vote, it generally requires 2/3 of the house to vote for "cloture" and end the debate on the bill. This system allows the minority to have some level of political power and keeps us from being a democratic republic like China.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
what is nonsense is trying to equate other nations governments and laws with ours and expecting them to be equal. you and I both know that is not the case. To even think that they are is borderline insane.
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. That's not the point and you know it. Comparing other constitutional democracies to ours is valid and the point is, if they can do it within their laws, then so can we.

lets see if you can comprehend what some of us have been saying for decades. Insurance companies WERE a risk/reward proposition. They knew it, the government knew it, and back then the people knew it. NOW, because they've bought and paid for republican and democrat politicians and lobbyists, the PEOPLE think that insurance is some sort of right or guarantee to absolve themselves of critical thinking and responsibility. YOU, I say again YOU, have had a hand in this by supporting this bullshit.
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That's a straw man argument. No one is saying insurance is a right. They are saying access to adequate health care at a reasonable cost is a right.

get people to stop going to emergency rooms with sniffles, or other some such nonsense when they can find themselves able to take care of themselves, STOP paying insurance company premiums, and I guarantee you that in order for insurance companies and medical care companies to make profit, they WILL lower their prices. econ 101 my friend.
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That comment shows how clueless you are about this issue. Why do you think people do that? It's because they either do not have access, cannot afford the skyrocketing cost and thus wait till a health care problem becomes a crises or a combination of both.

what is insane is you cowtowing to large corporate insurance conglomerates by mandating EVERYONE fork over money to them so they can become wealthier, and then pawning it off to the people as some sort of public benefit. why can't you get that through YOUR head?
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You got that backwards son. You're the one who'd brown nosing the insurance companies. The public good comes before their right to maximize profits at our expense and the public good.


i hope so, because it does need to be reformed. mandating that I buy a product to make others insurance more affordable isn't the way. If you do, and I refuse to comply, are you willing to have me killed?
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Mandating that everyone maintain some health care coverage is one of the 3 proven principles of health care reform that works in controlling cost. It is the first important step that MUST be taken and if you don't comprehend this then you don't even belong in this conversation as you are grossly uninformed about health care issues.
 
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