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[Thorn]

But hey, rhetoric is all you have left. You should consider a second career as a wind tunnel.

ROTFLMAO! That has to be the best line of the week.

Well, at least it would be a tangible contribution to the field of physics.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I know Solar can't power a car well enough to make it useful, which is why I suggested adding some other forms of creating energy to help replenish the energy needed to power a car. They may not be good ideas but at least they offer some discussion. I'm no engineer, not a MBA either, just a programmer that trys to find ways to automate things with as little effort as possible. Would be nice to see a car that we don't have to re-fuel and powers itself.

I don't think the solar cells would even ever make enough of a difference to warrant using the energy required to manufacture and put them on the car.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

we do not know all the answers to physics/aka black holes.etc...it is mere speculation that all the great minds of the world have narrowed all the answers to our/your hypothesis...(just a educated guess) does not end the debate...if you believe this you are 'returning to the future' or is that the past? A great movie concept but by know means the end result..carry on though your professors did a great job limiting your thought process!

You're an idiot.

Jump up. You'll come down.

Put turbines on a car. It won't make more energy than your using with the motor.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I already had my career..I am just having fun with know it all kids who claim to have the world by the proverbial balls...ain't gonna happen kido...your professors snowed ya from day one...carry on though ya are amusing me with all your self proclaimed knowledge of the world/universe and such!

Troglodyte doens't have a proffessor, BB, although if he studied for a few more years he could probably become one.

 

[Don Quixote]

I know Solar can't power a car well enough to make it useful, which is why I suggested adding some other forms of creating energy to help replenish the energy needed to power a car. They may not be good ideas but at least they offer some discussion. I'm no engineer, not a MBA either, just a programmer that tries to find ways to automate things with as little effort as possible. Would be nice to see a car that we don't have to re-fuel and powers itself.

Nice, but not likely (I am a software engineer with a lot of hardware experience and not an mba)

Flexible solar panels that will conform to a non-flat surface exist but would not power a vehicle, improve its mileage during the day, but currently the roi is insufficient, but what about tomorrow…

 

[Don Quixote]

but what about their value as fertilizer or soil amendments

still, better than corn

 

[Don Quixote]

The best plant for ethanol would be sugar cane. It yields energy at a ration of 8 units produced to 1 unit spent (in making it). This is slightly better than gas, which has a ratio of 5 to 1. Corn ethanol, on the other hand, yields energy at a ration of 1.3 to 1. Corn ethanol is NEVER going to be a viable alternative to gasoline.

However, cane sugar isn't a domestic crop. We'd have to import it. And the corn lobby will be against that, with their heavy lobbying. They can even do this lobbying behind the populist "I'm a farmer, so you have to help me" veil. So I guess we're just stuck with gas for the next 100 years, because the corn lobby killed ethanol with their greed.

w

the principal problem with sugar cane is that it is a foreign product

do we want to get back in the same mess of having other nations control our energy supply

 

[Don Quixote]

You have a unique writing style, Don

I'd support the tariffs if there was even an inkling of a chance that any domestic crop would ever become as energy efficient as sugar cane. One of the few good arguments for tarriffs is that they will support an "infant industry", and help it bloom into a productive one. I just don't think that's a realistic expectation.

Ethanol in Brazil sells for like 1.50 a gallon. Try that with Ethanol in America. If we keep on this futile search for a domestic ethanol crop we're just going to be stuck with oil forever. And honestly - I'd rather be dependant on Brazil and other tropical, sugar cane producing nations than Saudi Arabia and Iran.

w

perhaps we can grow enough sugar cane in hawaii and puerto rico, but be sure to add on the cost of transportation...but hey, we already have all those oil tankers

now would an ethanol spill be better or worse than an oil spill...ever stand down wind of a place where they are burning large amount of illegal mj

One of my mottoes is inconsistency in all things including inconsistency

 

[Litmus]

Umm looks like to many MBA's on here and not enough engineers.
Umm it takes energy to make energy in an alternator and there are losses involved in the transfer....

And as Trog said solar will never power an auto. Just not enough solar energy per sw ft.
Well maybe if your car had a 2500 sq ft solar cell sail on it....

But if they can lobby congress to pass these laws mandating this ridiculous science, then those "green companies" will be enlivened by the fascism. MBA's know about using government to prop up bad business ideas.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

w

the principal problem with sugar cane is that it is a foreign product

do we want to get back in the same mess of having other nations control our energy supply

Dozens of nations throughout the world grow sugar cane, they aren't really very unified, and none of them are fanatical. Do we really want to stay on oil for the next 50 years? Because that's the alternative.

Hydrogen, maybe one day. But I think this is an adequate in between.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

w

perhaps we can grow enough sugar cane in hawaii and puerto rico, but be sure to add on the cost of transportation...but hey, we already have all those oil tankers

now would an ethanol spill be better or worse than an oil spill...ever stand down wind of a place where they are burning large amount of illegal mj

One of my mottoes is inconsistency in all things including inconsistency

Ethanol evaporates, unlike oil. I'm not sure how much damage it would cause. They actually use ethanol to disinfect toilets, if that gives you any idea of how bad it would be for the ecology. Also, the ethanol's denatured to avoid the liquor tax and so they can sell to people under 21, so just a small amount would kill an animal, although it may get a little bit tipsy beforehand.

 

[Litmus]

I guess the POINT of having foresight is to go to alternatives BEFORE there are no other options. That may make countermarket decisions necessary . That will require law.

Funny how they will pass international laws about the environment, but human slavery is just an expression of human diversity we all should embrace, according to our globalist slave labor advocates.

 

[Cancel5]

This is a long thread to be talking about corn...he he!

 

[uscitizen]

It is sort of corny...
Price of corn is waaay up. Hooray for farmers.
that might reduce crop subsidies and such as well.

 

[Litmus]

Food is an interesting topic.

In the The Omen movies, controlling food with an ADM-like company was part of the anti-christ masterplan.

Paying farmers not to grow food..... just think of that. With our capabilities today, food could be created to be like air, like manna, just sitting around well preserved, for cents a day per person. But how would they control us. I mean "really" control us?

 

[uscitizen]

Food is an interesting topic.

In the The Omen movies, controlling food with an ADM-like company was part of the anti-christ masterplan.

Paying farmers not to grow food..... just think of that. With our capabilities today, food could be created to be like air, like manna, just sitting around well preserved, for cents a day per person. But how would they control us. I mean "really" control us?

Like they are doing us right now asshat.
thru the vidiot box most of us watch....

 

[Don Quixote]

You're an idiot.

Jump up. You'll come down.

Put turbines on a car. It won't make more energy than your using with the motor.

w

turbines are more efficient and have better torque than recprocating engines, but they are more expensive to manufacture and maintain

 

[Don Quixote]

Dozens of nations throughout the world grow sugar cane, they aren't really very unified, and none of them are fanatical. Do we really want to stay on oil for the next 50 years? Because that's the alternative.

Hydrogen, maybe one day. But I think this is an adequate in between.

w

hydrogen (fuel cells) would make a good stop gap but it is more dangerous than most fuels and more difficult to store/ship/load safely

 

[Don Quixote]

Ethanol evaporates, unlike oil. I'm not sure how much damage it would cause. They actually use ethanol to disinfect toilets, if that gives you any idea of how bad it would be for the ecology. Also, the ethanol's denatured to avoid the liquor tax and so they can sell to people under 21, so just a small amount would kill an animal, although it may get a little bit tipsy beforehand.

w

ethanol is a poison, 'denatured' ethanol is a stronger poison, but petrolum lasts longer and does more overall harm

 

[TRGLDTE]

w

turbines are more efficient and have better torque than recprocating engines, but they are more expensive to manufacture and maintain

Not what he was talking about.