Could A Good God Permit So Much Suffering?

Into the Night said:
What is the error?

No, I would say God is quite opinionated. He has made no secret of his opinions concerning Man. He even sacrificed his own begotten Son to save Man from the justice of a debt that Man himself could not pay, and conquered death by doing so.

To say this is to ignore all that God has done for the benefit of Man.

True, but Satan also leads Man to suffering.
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You're assuming the Christian point of view.
I'm looking at it based on a Universal Force being God,
not an anthropomorphized vision of God,
 
Based Chad said:
using it to displace as many people as possible and to achieve an automated full-surveillance state are overdevelopment and tyranny.
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Ah. You are afraid of surveillance. Here's the problem with that fear:

Who is watching the watchers? What do you do with the massive amount of data that you collect that is meaningless and useless?
NSA, for example, can monitor every international telephone call made, using satellite systems that can intercept microwave relay signals; but most phone calls are benign and are of no threat to anyone. That's a LOT of data. How do you find the needle in THAT haystack? What do you do with all that hay?

Most everything that NSA collects is incinerated.

And the 'needle'? How many others did they miss? What if the 'needle' they found doesn't pan out to anything important of interest?

There just aren't enough watchers, dude; and there aren't enough watchers watching them to make sure they don't screw up.

Sure, there are cameras everywhere, but they are individually owned, used to monitor an individual property. There are LOTS of cell phones, like the Little Snitch everywhere. Yet, these Little Snitches are what publicizes abusive cops, rioters, arsonists, looters, and shows a court of law they have the right individual up on criminal charges.

You call this 'tyranny'? Where is the tyranny?
 
Based Chad said:
its being used by internationalist fascist Nazis to destroy humanity.
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There are no Nazis. The year is 2025. The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2. Humanity is not being destroyed.
Based Chad said:
I'm afraid of the people using it and in control of it.
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You need not be. They are not in control of it. They just use it...much like the way you drive your car, but don't know how to build it or fix it.

Again, you only show your fear of what you do not understand.
 
Hume said:
Go argue with an atheist. This is not my position.
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Materialism is the natural consequence of atheism, and every professional atheist I've seen on podcasts or public debates is essentially a materialist.

Any one who claims to be an atheist, but then ends up stealing the concepts of idealism, pantheism, deism from Plato, Buddhism, Spinoza isn't really an atheist.

And I maintain that most people cannot live out atheism to it's logical conclusion.
 
Hume said:
I never read in the history of science anyone claiming that. Do you have a reference?
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Albert Einstein said it was a conviction and an article of faith, akin to a religious feeling, that the rational intelligibility of the universe lies behind all scientific work.​


"Scientific research can reduce superstition by encouraging people to think and view things in terms of cause and effect. Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
 
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Hume said:
next troll shit from you gets ignore

You are very stupid person.
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LOL, are you threatening me with a good time? You’re so clueless you think that’s a threat. Pathetic. My goal? Send every one of you brain-dead losers who can’t defend your garbage running like the spineless cowards you are.

I never run from libtards. Although, I've got one idiot on ignore, Dutchy Boy. Need a hint why? He’s a special kind of libtard with mental baggage I can’t spell out here or I’d get banned. Figure it out? He still slinks back with sock accounts, spewing the same third-grade drivel minus his other problem under differrent names.

You dumbasses? Half of you scatter the second you’re outmatched. Libtards always flee when they can’t win, so go on, run, moron, run. I’ll wear that victory with pride.

What do I lose? You’re just another drone, same as the thousands I’ve crushed my whole life. Not one original thought in your Trump owned skull. Libtards from 15 years ago were much better at politics. They at least knew enough to fake loving America, and laser focused on pretending to care about the less fortunate as a way to get elected and pay off their political debts and fill their own back pockets. They talked centrist and governed left. They hid their real beliefs, fed by left-wing media and misery-peddling libtard professors who turned you into brain-dead propagandists with no individual spark left.

Have I gone on long enough for that “devastating ignore”? Run, you pathetic coward, you’re not the first and I hope not the last. Another drone’s always waiting to vomit the same garbage. When I make all of you run, I’ll pop champagne and grill a thick steak.

I’m here for laughs, the clever takes and to learn things I didn't know from the normal people here, not to fix a libtard drone’s mind. That’s a lost cause and you offer nothing unique at all. How am I doing? Gone yet, lol.

Libtards only wake up when truth hits like a sledgehammer. Then they see how stupid they’ve been and can't wait to explain and apologize to anyone who’ll listen. It’s like a come-to-Jesus moment, repentance, clarity, excitement, regret, and a thirst for truth they’ve never known, overwhelms them all at once. You? I wouldn’t bet a nickel of my hard earned money on you getting there.

Unlike you drones, we live for freedom, family, friends, faith, and we all know we’re damn lucky to be in the greatest country that's ever existed in all of human history. Politics don’t own us. You? Bitter, hate-filled, soulless dumbasses obsessed with only one thing......well, really two now, spitting venom at the nation that sacrificed so much for ungrateful spoiled punks like you to be as ignorant as you wish while spitting on their graves, and now, of course, hating Trump. Sad doesn't begin to cover it.

If you’re still reading, I'm impressed you could read this much and stay with it while I stomp on you, lol. Goodbye, you scurrying little loser, I'll miss you not. Enjoy your miserable life in this exceptional country that, thanks to the guy you despise, is finally healing. I’m more hopeful it’ll endure than I ever have been, despite your masters’ billions spent building an army of drones like you. They bought politicians, educators, judges, Hollywood, our own intelligence agencies, etc. all selling their souls for chump change. All that effort, money, and time, and Trump completely smashed your party and much of a corrupt republican party to bits and built the most powerful political movement in American history with sheer grit, unparalleled courage, and pure common sense in a landscape where courage and common sense were all but dead.

I think of what he's managed to do in a very short time on the political scene akin to the Battle of Marathon or Stirling Bridge or even the Battle of Vitkov Hill, yes that's right, a battle against crusaders of the Catholic church. In those days, the Roman Catholic Church was very similar to many of the tyrants you might be more familiar with, they had a huge fighting force, but most were 'compelled' to fight without choice against a much smaller force about 30 to 1, but the Hussites were fighting for liberty, more accurately, religious liberty. Doesn't matter how much money you've got or how many institutions you've corrupted and/or 'compelled' to do your bidding, when liberty is at stake I'll put my money on that side, regardless of the odds.

LOL, if this hasn't got me an ignore, I'll be rather disapointed.
 
Cypress said:
Materialism is the natural consequence of atheism, and every professional atheist I've seen on podcasts or public debates is essentially a materialist.

Any one who claims to be an atheist, but then ends up stealing the concepts of idealism, pantheism, deism from Plato, Buddhism, Spinoza isn't really an atheist.

And I maintain that most people cannot live out atheism to it's logical conclusion.
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That's an excellent observation and agreed. If one only believes in the material universe then it makes sense they'd be very materialistic.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That's an excellent observation and agreed. If one only believes in the material universe then it makes sense they'd be very materialistic.
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Atheism, scientism, physical materialism are close enough to each other philosophically that the distinctions aren't that substantial.

The key thing is that the vast majority of bona fide atheists believe life, the universe, and everything can be explained by the motions of subatomic particles - by materialism.

Whenever they start veering off into some kind of quasi-pantheism then they've left the confines of the atheist reservation, and are tacitly confessing that physical materialism probably isn't a sufficient explanation for life, the universe, and everything.
 
Into the Night said:
There are no Nazis. The year is 2025. The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2. Humanity is not being destroyed.

You need not be. They are not in control of it. They just use it...much like the way you drive your car, but don't know how to build it or fix it.

Again, you only show your fear of what you do not understand.
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their eugenicist mass murder, anti-human, mk-ultra values live on.

Operation Paperclip.

look into it, ignorant one.
 
Into the Night said:
There are no Nazis. The year is 2025. The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2. Humanity is not being destroyed.

You need not be. They are not in control of it. They just use it...much like the way you drive your car, but don't know how to build it or fix it.

Again, you only show your fear of what you do not understand.
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they openly support totalitarianism, and genocide and call humans a virus.
 
TravisBickle said:
I've studied several religions and found none I can accept completely.
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Okay. Nothing really wrong with that. It simply means you are undecided. You also can't seem to describe the characteristics of a God, though you acknowledge the existence of God. That simply means you are agnostic. So big hairy deal.

This is a choice you have yet to make, and it's yours to make...or not.
 
Cypress said:
Materialism is the natural consequence of atheism, and every professional atheist I've seen on podcasts or public debates is essentially a materialist.

Any one who claims to be an atheist, but then ends up stealing the concepts of idealism, pantheism, deism from Plato, Buddhism, Spinoza isn't really an atheist.

And I maintain that most people cannot live out atheism to it's logical conclusion.
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Atheism has no conclusion.
 
Cypress said:

Albert Einstein said it was a conviction and an article of faith, akin to a religious feeling, that the rational intelligibility of the universe lies behind all scientific work.​


"Scientific research can reduce superstition by encouraging people to think and view things in terms of cause and effect. Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein
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So?

Unfortunately for you in making such a claim, science isn't a 'work' or an 'intelligence'. It is a set of falsifiable theories.
 
Tobytone said:
LOL, are you threatening me with a good time? You’re so clueless you think that’s a threat. Pathetic. My goal? Send every one of you brain-dead losers who can’t defend your garbage running like the spineless cowards you are.

I never run from libtards. Although, I've got one idiot on ignore, Dutchy Boy. Need a hint why? He’s a special kind of libtard with mental baggage I can’t spell out here or I’d get banned. Figure it out? He still slinks back with sock accounts, spewing the same third-grade drivel minus his other problem under differrent names.

You dumbasses? Half of you scatter the second you’re outmatched. Libtards always flee when they can’t win, so go on, run, moron, run. I’ll wear that victory with pride.

What do I lose? You’re just another drone, same as the thousands I’ve crushed my whole life. Not one original thought in your Trump owned skull. Libtards from 15 years ago were much better at politics. They at least knew enough to fake loving America, and laser focused on pretending to care about the less fortunate as a way to get elected and pay off their political debts and fill their own back pockets. They talked centrist and governed left. They hid their real beliefs, fed by left-wing media and misery-peddling libtard professors who turned you into brain-dead propagandists with no individual spark left.

Have I gone on long enough for that “devastating ignore”? Run, you pathetic coward, you’re not the first and I hope not the last. Another drone’s always waiting to vomit the same garbage. When I make all of you run, I’ll pop champagne and grill a thick steak.

I’m here for laughs, the clever takes and to learn things I didn't know from the normal people here, not to fix a libtard drone’s mind. That’s a lost cause and you offer nothing unique at all. How am I doing? Gone yet, lol.

Libtards only wake up when truth hits like a sledgehammer. Then they see how stupid they’ve been and can't wait to explain and apologize to anyone who’ll listen. It’s like a come-to-Jesus moment, repentance, clarity, excitement, regret, and a thirst for truth they’ve never known, overwhelms them all at once. You? I wouldn’t bet a nickel of my hard earned money on you getting there.

Unlike you drones, we live for freedom, family, friends, faith, and we all know we’re damn lucky to be in the greatest country that's ever existed in all of human history. Politics don’t own us. You? Bitter, hate-filled, soulless dumbasses obsessed with only one thing......well, really two now, spitting venom at the nation that sacrificed so much for ungrateful spoiled punks like you to be as ignorant as you wish while spitting on their graves, and now, of course, hating Trump. Sad doesn't begin to cover it.

If you’re still reading, I'm impressed you could read this much and stay with it while I stomp on you, lol. Goodbye, you scurrying little loser, I'll miss you not. Enjoy your miserable life in this exceptional country that, thanks to the guy you despise, is finally healing. I’m more hopeful it’ll endure than I ever have been, despite your masters’ billions spent building an army of drones like you. They bought politicians, educators, judges, Hollywood, our own intelligence agencies, etc. all selling their souls for chump change. All that effort, money, and time, and Trump completely smashed your party and much of a corrupt republican party to bits and built the most powerful political movement in American history with sheer grit, unparalleled courage, and pure common sense in a landscape where courage and common sense were all but dead.

I think of what he's managed to do in a very short time on the political scene akin to the Battle of Marathon or Stirling Bridge or even the Battle of Vitkov Hill, yes that's right, a battle against crusaders of the Catholic church. In those days, the Roman Catholic Church was very similar to many of the tyrants you might be more familiar with, they had a huge fighting force, but most were 'compelled' to fight without choice against a much smaller force about 30 to 1, but the Hussites were fighting for liberty, more accurately, religious liberty. Doesn't matter how much money you've got or how many institutions you've corrupted and/or 'compelled' to do your bidding, when liberty is at stake I'll put my money on that side, regardless of the odds.

LOL, if this hasn't got me an ignore, I'll be rather disapointed.
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Heh. Hugo cannot threaten. He's just noise.
 
Cypress said:
Atheism, scientism, physical materialism are close enough to each other philosophically that the distinctions aren't that substantial.

The key thing is that the vast majority of bona fide atheists believe life, the universe, and everything can be explained by the motions of subatomic particles - by materialism.

Whenever they start veering off into some kind of quasi-pantheism then they've left the confines of the atheist reservation, and are tacitly confessing that physical materialism probably isn't a sufficient explanation for life, the universe, and everything.
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Atheism isn't science, Woody. It isn't materialism either.
You're still trying to BS your way to looking smart.
 
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