Could Germany have won the war?

[Cypress]

In the 1930s, the US also flirted with Communism. Both, of course, are authoritarian. A willingness by a large part of the population to let government run their lives.

IMO, it's a weakness on their part. It's harder to live in a democracy.

Notice how much these assholes look like Trumpers?:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/skokie-legacy-nazi-march-town-holocaust-survivors/story?id=56026742
Skokie: The legacy of the would-be Nazi march in a town of Holocaust survivors


https://skokieheritagemuseum.omeka.net/exhibits/show/skokie-history-faqs/attempted-nazi-march-skokie

Unless it's based on sound principles of law, strong civil institutions, and clean elections democracy can appear to be a failure to people.

Democracy looked like a failure to Germans in 1932, and to Russians in 1999.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Unless it's based on sound principles of law, strong civil institutions, and clean elections democracy can appear to be a failure to people.

Democracy looked like a failure to Germans in 1932, and to Russians in 1999.

Fareed Zakaria wrote a compelling argument for the necessities required for democracy to work in his 2003 "The Future of Freedom"*. It explains why democracy fails in areas such as Iraq and Afghanistan. The Russians had a choice after the fall of the USSR but eventually turned back to authoritarian leadership before the turn of the century. Culturally, they weren't ready.

OTOH, the French after their Revolution quickly went from monarchism to a dictatorship. Let's hope Americans are strong enough to hang onto our Republic.


*or 2008's "Post-American World". I forget which.

 

[Cypress]

Fareed Zakaria wrote a compelling argument for the necessities required for democracy to work in his 2003 "The Future of Freedom"*. It explains why democracy fails in areas such as Iraq and Afghanistan. The Russians had a choice after the fall of the USSR but eventually turned back to authoritarian leadership before the turn of the century. Culturally, they weren't ready.

OTOH, the French after their Revolution quickly went from monarchism to a dictatorship. Let's hope Americans are strong enough to hang onto our Republic.


*or 2008's "Post-American World". I forget which.

The French are always suspect because they have a long history of flirtation with rightwing authoritarianism.

The La Penn family is routinely competitive in French elections, and who can forget the Vichy Republic.

We were the fortunate beneficiaries of the English system of constitutional limits, individual rights, and liberal representative government.

The Dutch are Europe's other nation with a premier democratic pedigree, tracing back to the Dutch Republic.

The Scandinavians seem to have a tradition of democratic governance. There is that famous medieval council in Iceland whose name escapes me at the moment

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The French are always suspect because they have a long history of flirtation with rightwing authoritarianism.

The La Penn family is routinely competitive in French elections, and who can forget the Vichy Republic.

We were the fortunate beneficiaries of the English system of constitutional limits, individual rights, and liberal representative government.

The Dutch are Europe's other nation with a premier democratic pedigree, tracing back to the Dutch Republic.

The Scandinavians seem to have a tradition of democratic governance. There is that famous medieval council in Iceland whose name escapes me at the moment

Euros all have a long historical culture of monarchism. Switching to a dictatorship is not much different. It's the US that broke the mold...and now some dumbasses want us to pedal backwards.

 

[Into the Night]

MAGAs keep suggesting that America is forcing Ukrainians to fight this war, but that type of comment comes from sheer
appalling ignorance of historical context.

MAGA is not a person or group of people.

 

[Into the Night]

The JPP MAGAts commenting upon it are idiots and/or demented. It's certainly anti-American since they praise Putin's righteousness and condemn the actions of the United States to stop aggressive states.

The US has toyed with fascism before; notably in the 1930s when it was fashionable...mostly due to the Great Depression causing massive suffering. We didn't cross the line but came close with FDR. It's why the President is term limited.

I find it ironic that the Millennials may turn out to be this century's Greatest Generation and their parents, the Boomers and Gen Xers, to be the worst for embracing authoritarian leadership.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Twenty-second-Amendment
Twenty-second Amendment
United States Constitution

MAGA isn't person or a group.

 

[Into the Night]

That's a good insight that Boomers and Gen X might be remembered by history as the Americans who openly flirted with fascism

Fascism, communism, and capitalism exist in every nation. Both fascism and communism are forms of socialism.

 

[Into the Night]

Unless it's based on sound principles of law, strong civil institutions, and clean elections democracy can appear to be a failure to people.

Democracy is an unstable form of government. Every time it is tried, it fails. It usually quickly dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship.

Democracy looked like a failure to Germans in 1932, and to Russians in 1999.

Germany wasn't a democracy at the time. Russia wasn't a democracy at the time. Neither Germany nor Russia has ever been a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

Fareed Zakaria wrote a compelling argument for the necessities required for democracy to work in his 2003 "The Future of Freedom"*. It explains why democracy fails in areas such as Iraq and Afghanistan. The Russians had a choice after the fall of the USSR but eventually turned back to authoritarian leadership before the turn of the century. Culturally, they weren't ready.

OTOH, the French after their Revolution quickly went from monarchism to a dictatorship. Let's hope Americans are strong enough to hang onto our Republic.


*or 2008's "Post-American World". I forget which.

Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan have ever been a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

The French are always suspect because they have a long history of flirtation with rightwing authoritarianism.

The La Penn family is routinely competitive in French elections, and who can forget the Vichy Republic.

We were the fortunate beneficiaries of the English system of constitutional limits, individual rights, and liberal representative government.

The Dutch are Europe's other nation with a premier democratic pedigree, tracing back to the Dutch Republic.

The Scandinavians seem to have a tradition of democratic governance. There is that famous medieval council in Iceland whose name escapes me at the moment

There is no 'right' or 'left' wing in any European nation. These terms apply to the U.S. Congress.
The U.S. was never a democracy.
Holland was never a democracy.
Neither Norway, Finland, Sweden, or Iceland was ever a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

Euros all have a long historical culture of monarchism. Switching to a dictatorship is not much different. It's the US that broke the mold...and now some dumbasses want us to pedal backwards.

A monarchy is a dictatorship, dumbass.
What mold??? Rome was a republic long before the United States ever was.

 

[Cypress]

There is no 'right' or 'left' wing in any European nation. These terms apply to the U.S. Congress.

^ That's the kind of statement someone makes who has never been to college, never reads books, never strived for any kind of intellectual improvement. Scanning obscure rightwing blogs and frantically googling Wikipedia for five minutes is never going to turn you into a knowledgeable person.

The term left wing and rightwing comes from the French Estates General, and is a political concept that grew out of revolutionary France

 

[Into the Night]

^ That's the kind of statement someone makes who has never been to college, never reads books, never strived for any kind of intellectual improvement. Scanning obscure rightwing blogs and frantically googling Wikipedia for five minutes is never going to turn you into a knowledgeable person.

How lame. That's all you can do for an insult? I don't use Wikipedia, dumbass. I don't accept it as a reference either. It's articles are too often incomplete, biased, badly worded, or just plain wrong.

The term left wing and rightwing comes from the French Estates General, and is a political concept that grew out of revolutionary France

The term relates to seating arrangement in the federal congress. That's the only place the term has any meaning in the political sense.

Now if you want to talk about how liberals are fucking up Europe, we can go there.

 

[Walt]

A monarchy is a dictatorship, dumbass.

Dictatorship is where one person has absolute power. A monarchy is where power is passed down through a family. So some monarchies are dictatorships, and some dictatorships are monarchies. There are dictatorships that are not monarchies, and there are monarchies that are not dictatorships.

 

[Lightbringer]

Dictatorship is where one person has absolute power. A monarchy is where power is passed down through a family. So some monarchies are dictatorships, and some dictatorships are monarchies. There are dictatorships that are not monarchies, and there are monarchies that are not dictatorships.

Have to disagree with you here. The Dictator can't achieve power without a lot of help.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Have to disagree with you here. The Dictator can't achieve power without a lot of help.

Agreed. Once in power, they are in full control. Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Mussollini, Pol Pot, Kim and Putin for a few examples. This is what Trump wanted and failed to achieve.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

THe nazis won the war, though yes, germany lost.

Werner Von Braun

operation paperclip

sra and mengele

 

[Cypress]

How lame. That's all you can do for an insult? I don't use Wikipedia, dumbass. I don't accept it as a reference either. It's articles are too often incomplete, biased, badly worded, or just plain wrong.

The term relates to seating arrangement in the federal congress. That's the only place the term has any meaning in the political sense.

incorrect again

The left-right seating arrangement came from the French Estates General, and is the origin of the political conception of a left and a rightwing. It doesn't originate in the US congress.

I accept your confession that you don't have a higher education, you don't read books, you don't strive for intellectual improvement, and you don't even consult online Encyclopedias for information.

No wonder you are so frequently wrong.

 

[Into the Night]

Dictatorship is where one person has absolute power. A monarchy is where power is passed down through a family. So some monarchies are dictatorships, and some dictatorships are monarchies. There are dictatorships that are not monarchies, and there are monarchies that are not dictatorships.

A monarchy is a dictatorship. Dictators often pass power down to family members.

 

[Into the Night]

Have to disagree with you here. The Dictator can't achieve power without a lot of help.

Dictators seize and maintain power through a military loyal to the dictator (essentially the 'goon squad').
Oligarchies do the same thing, but are governed by a committee rather than a single person.