Could Germany have won the war?

Doc Dutch said:
It won’t be until Putin is dead.
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Doubtful

It already looks like major nations are pressuring Ukraine to start negotiations so I imagine that will happen after this supposed offensive fails

Ukraine probably only has a couple of months left to push back Russia before their military aid dries up
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Doubtful

It already looks like major nations are pressuring Ukraine to start negotiations so I imagine that will happen after this supposed offensive fails

Ukraine probably only has a couple of months left to push back Russia before their military aid dries up
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It’ll be guerrilla warfare unless Russia completely vacates the country.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
You believe Ukraine has committed no atrocities of their own also?

I would refer you to look up American atrocities in Vietnam
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The Russians committed atrocities against Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine.

If any Ukrainians committed atrocities, it’s against Russian soldiers in Ukraine.

Hopefully you can understand the difference.
 
Doc Dutch said:
The Russians committed atrocities against Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine.

If any Ukrainians committed atrocities, it’s against Russian soldiers in Ukraine.

Hopefully you can understand the difference.
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There is none. An atrocity is an atrocity regardless of who commits it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
There is none. An atrocity is an atrocity regardless of who commits it.
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You see no difference between committing an atrocity such as shooting a POW as opposed to raping and shooting girls at a High School, Terry?

Especially the difference between committing atrocities against military invaders versus the raping and pillaging the Russians have committed against Ukrainians?
 
Doc Dutch said:
You see no difference between committing an atrocity such as shooting a POW as opposed to raping and shooting girls at a High School, Terry?

Especially the difference between committing atrocities against military invaders versus the raping and pillaging the Russians have committed against Ukrainians?
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You honestly think the Ukrainians just peacefully shot POWs or did they more likely torture them.

I have videos of both sides doing things like beheadings but obviously I can’t post them.

If you do not think there is horror in war then you seriously need to do some research.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
You honestly think the Ukrainians just peacefully shot POWs or did they more likely torture them.

I have videos of both sides doing things like beheadings but obviously I can’t post them.

If you do not think there is horror in war then you seriously need to do some research.
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No, but you obviously can’t see the primary issue here. That’s okay. I hope you are better at ghost hunting than military strategy. LOL
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Rather poor deflection but I accept your defeat
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Okay, girl. If it makes you feel better.

OTOH, I doubt many people other than Putin fans will equate torturing and beheading an invading Russian officer with a squad of Russian soldiers raping and murdering schoolgirls.
 
Doc Dutch said:
No, but you obviously can’t see the primary issue here. That’s okay. I hope you are better at ghost hunting than military strategy. LOL
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Oh, so you think it's fine for one side to commit some war crime because you agree with them while condemning the other for doing the same thing because you despise them hum? Some hypocrite you are, on top of being a liar.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Okay, girl. If it makes you feel better.

OTOH, I doubt many people other than Putin fans will equate torturing and beheading an invading Russian officer with a squad of Russian soldiers raping and murdering schoolgirls.
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So you are saying all Ukrainians are great and wonderful people?

None of them have used the fact that they are in wartime and armed to rape women or children or steal even though every army in human history has done that?

I thought you were an intelligent poster and I would provide some links but apparently your head is so far up the asses of Ukrainian soldiers that you couldn’t read it anyways
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Oh, so you think it's fine for one side to commit some war crime because you agree with them while condemning the other for doing the same thing because you despise them hum? Some hypocrite you are, on top of being a liar.
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No, Terry, but I know you’re pissed at me so you’re being pissy with me…or you’re demented and can’t help yourself.

You can’t see the difference between the atrocities and you don’t want to see difference. You also are too far gone to see the difference between understanding why someone does something and condoning it.

You’re too obtuse to put yourself in Ukrainian shoes. What would you do if fighting an invader and don’t have the luxury of POW camps? Turn them loose if they pinky swear to not harm any other Americans?
 
Doc Dutch said:
No, Terry, but I know you’re pissed at me so you’re being pissy with me…or you’re demented and can’t help yourself.

You can’t see the difference between the atrocities and you don’t want to see difference. You also are too far gone to see the difference between understanding why someone does something and condoning it.

You’re too obtuse to put yourself in Ukrainian shoes. What would you do if fighting an invader and don’t have the luxury of POW camps? Turn them loose if they pinky swear to not harm any other Americans?
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It’s not difficult to erect a POW camp lol
 
Doc Dutch said:
No, Terry, but I know you’re pissed at me so you’re being pissy with me…or you’re demented and can’t help yourself.

You can’t see the difference between the atrocities and you don’t want to see difference. You also are too far gone to see the difference between understanding why someone does something and condoning it.

You’re too obtuse to put yourself in Ukrainian shoes. What would you do if fighting an invader and don’t have the luxury of POW camps? Turn them loose if they pinky swear to not harm any other Americans?
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So, if a US soldier in say, WW 2 shoots some SS German troops that are POW's that's okay, but if those same SS troops shoot some American prisoners that's evil and wrong hum? You are too obtuse to see that the laws of war apply equally to both sides.

I can cite real cases of both. In one, a company commander in the 36th ID (Texas National Guard) captured a German officer. On taking him to his battalion HQ, the Major in charge ordered him to take the officer to the rear himself even though that officer was about to have his company go into combat. He felt he should be with his company, took the German outside, shot him dead, and said he tried to escape. No charges were brought.

Should he have been charged? That's the sort of bullshit you are making claims about as being perfectly fine.
 
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