Courageous Gov vetoes abominable bill

USFREEDOM911 said:
So you have nothing to refute what's been presentted, except to fall back on that your god is going to punish those who don't agree with you.
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Shouldn't risking the indignation of God be enough? tell me more about your God. The one that coddles sinners and enables wrong behaviors.
 
WinterBorn said:
How is it moral courage to go along with the loudest and pushiest people and allow the status quo to continue?
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The loudest, pushiest people are liberals. I don't go along with liberals.

WinterBorn said:
Moral courage is opposing an unfair system that grants gov't benefits to one set of couples and denies it to another based solely on religious dogma and genitalia.
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That's Socialism. I oppose unrepentant socialists who accuse me, a law abiding American, of being a Nazi bigot.
 
Granule said:
The loudest, pushiest people are liberals. I don't go along with liberals.

That's Socialism. I oppose unrepentant socialists who accuse me, a law abiding American, of being a Nazi bigot.
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Oh, so we should remove the gov't benefits granted to married couples? I agree with you on that. I think the gov't has no business in the marriage licencing market.


Your arguments that have to do with the wrath of God are fine reasons for churches not allowing gay marriages. But they are completely unacceptable reasons for our federal gov't to continue the ban on gay marriages.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Unfortunetly, that's not the god you worship; because if it was, you wouldn't be so wiliing to speak for Him.
Especially when you preach nothing but hate for a segment of mankind.
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I don't speak for God. I quote scripture. Where does enabling wrong behaviors constitute love? I had this same talk with my 15 year old foster kid today. He's a juvenile sex offender who thinks he isn't loving if he reports another sex offender for doing the same deed. He thinks that would be "judging" him. What kind of warped set of values are you both drawing from?
 
Granule said:
I oppose unrepentant socialists who accuse me, a law abiding American, of being a Nazi bigot.
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Have I accused you of being a Nazi bigot? If you see my comments about working towards equality as calling you a bigot, there is not much I can say. But "Nazi"??? WTF?

If there has been any name-calling in our dialogue, you would do well to reread your post calling me a militant homosexual. Neither of those is an accurate label. But I can see that truth or accuracy is no longer your objective.
 
Granule said:
Where in my last response did I say that? Stay on topic, please.
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I was simply trying to help you get rid of the socialism. Surely you cannot mean that allowing gays to marry is socialism and allowing straights to marry is not.

As long as you accuse me of calling you a "nazi" you really should refrain from telling anyone to stay on topic.
 
Granule said:
I don't speak for God. I quote scripture. Where does enabling wrong behaviors constitute love? I had this same talk with my 15 year old foster kid today. He's a juvenile sex offender who thinks he isn't loving if he reports another sex offender for doing the same deed. He thinks that would be "judging" him. What kind of warped set of values are you both drawing from?
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The topic is about a bill being vetoed. Scripture is fine, but cannot be used as the sole basis for our laws.
 
Granule said:
It didn't work. As long as you keep bitching about "fairness" or "equality" or any other leftist Marxian buzz word, then I will have no choice but to address you as a socialist.
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So fairness and equality are socialist ideals?

Our federal gov't should be able to discriminate? What an odd idea.
 
Granule said:
Shouldn't risking the indignation of God be enough? tell me more about your God. The one that coddles sinners and enables wrong behaviors.
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My God loves all mankind and he doesn't create mistakes; ergo: two members of the same sex becoming married is good, as long as they love each other and treat each other correctly.
The idea that you find them sinners doesn't hold water, with my God.

You're free to worship at whatever alter makes you feel justified. :good4u:
 
Granule said:
Why not? What's so bad about basing our laws on the Christian Bible?
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It is a violation of the US Constitution. When the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;", that means our gov't cannot establish a state religion.
 
Granule said:
I don't speak for God. I quote scripture. Where does enabling wrong behaviors constitute love? I had this same talk with my 15 year old foster kid today. He's a juvenile sex offender who thinks he isn't loving if he reports another sex offender for doing the same deed. He thinks that would be "judging" him. What kind of warped set of values are you both drawing from?
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Homosexuals are not sex offenders; so lets destroy that part of your presentation, from the get go.
As to your closing question; I can only speak for myself, you will need to work out the problem with your foster child. But may I suggest that you seek some professional to help you; because after reading your posts, I'm not sure you're the best person to be giving advice to a juvenile.
 
WinterBorn said:
It is a violation of the US Constitution. When the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;", that means our gov't cannot establish a state religion.
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No it isn't. The first amendment was written with the intent to keep a given religion from taking over. It said nothing of teaching from the Bible, which is what Americans used to do in public schools up until sometime in the mid nineteenth century.
 
Granule said:
It didn't work. As long as you keep bitching about "fairness" or "equality" or any other leftist Marxian buzz word, then I will have no choice but to address you as a socialist.
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So the words "fairness" and "equality" have no place in a Democratic society or a Democratic Republic?? :palm:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Homosexuals are not sex offenders; so lets destroy that part of your presentation, from the get go.
As to your closing question; I can only speak for myself, you will need to work out the problem with your foster child. But may I suggest that you seek some professional to help you; because after reading your posts, I'm not sure you're the best person to be giving advice to a juvenile.
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How about you just answer the question? How does enabling wrong behaviors constitute love?
 
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