Court Clears Way for Egg Rights Showdown

Cypress said:
Because in the entire course of human history, no society has ever deemed a fertilized egg, to be the equivalent of an actual person.

Your turn: If you think a fertilized egg is the legal equivalent of a human being, do you support murder charges, and prison sentences for women if they get an abortion? And if not, why not, since you consider eggs to be human beings?
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Then why are there are laws against killing a fertilized egg and people have been charged with murder ?
 
Dilloduck said:
Then why are there are laws against killing a fertilized egg and people have been charged with murder ?
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There are laws against killing (or causing severe physical injury to) a pregnant woman and thereby causing death to her unborn child, not against killing a fertilized egg.
 
Dilloduck said:
Nothing to do with the fact that someone thinks 2 people were killed ?
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See the later update. Basically, this is a law where to divergent and opposing viewpoints can come together on a single issue but for different reasons.

First, you have the anti-abortion crowd which wants to fight to get some form of recognition that a fetus or unborn child is a legally a person. Once you get this acknowledgment, you can do some incremental legislation granting this "person" more and more rights until abortion is illegal.

Second, you have womens' organizations and womens' rights group which, considering the fact that murder is the leading cause of death among pregnant women aside from medical complications, want law to protect pregnant women. The additional charge of murdering could have some deterrent effect on the murder of pregnant women. However, they want to make sure that the law does not infringe on abortion rights whatsoever, so there are disputes as to the specific wording of the bill, but some leftys will be on board with this type of thing.

So, this type of bill passes (albiet with a small majority). Of course some people view the fetus as a person, but it is a far cry from outlawing the fertilized egg and it is a far cry from what the Colorado loony tunes are proposing.
 
Dungheap said:
See the later update. Basically, this is a law where to divergent and opposing viewpoints can come together on a single issue but for different reasons.

First, you have the anti-abortion crowd which wants to fight to get some form of recognition that a fetus or unborn child is a legally a person. Once you get this acknowledgment, you can do some incremental legislation granting this "person" more and more rights until abortion is illegal.

Second, you have womens' organizations and womens' rights group which, considering the fact that murder is the leading cause of death among pregnant women aside from medical complications, want law to protect pregnant women. The additional charge of murdering could have some deterrent effect on the murder of pregnant women. However, they want to make sure that the law does not infringe on abortion rights whatsoever, so there are disputes as to the specific wording of the bill, but some leftys will be on board with this type of thing.

So, this type of bill passes (albiet with a small majority). Of course some people view the fetus as a person, but it is a far cry from outlawing the fertilized egg and it is a far cry from what the Colorado loony tunes are proposing.
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LMAO---right--it's a hate crime for someone else to kill a mass of cells but a choice if the host mother chooses it to be killed by a doctor. That's like saying a nigger can say "nigger" but no one else can .
 
Dilloduck said:
LMAO---right--it's a hate crime for someone else to kill a mass of cells but a choice if the host mother chooses it to be killed by a doctor. That's like saying a nigger can say "nigger" but no one else can .
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I guess we have a new board racist. You're now on ignore.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Nice excuse to bail on an argument you're losing. Coward. Run away, little girl. Run.
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I don't need to deal with people dropping n-bombs. I put up with enough of that shit in my life.

And really, I'm not losing. Apparently, people are unable to distinguish between a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy and someone murdering the woman and thereby terminating her pregnancy. It's not really a hair-splitting distinction.
 
Dungheap said:
I don't need to deal with people dropping n-bombs. I put up with enough of that shit in my life.

And really, I'm not losing. Apparently, people are unable to distinguish between a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy and someone murdering the woman and thereby terminating her pregnancy. It's not really a hair-splitting distinction.
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But logically it's inconsistent. If a fetuses is living it is living. It can't be living in some instances, and deemed not living in others. It's just dumb. And you're dumb for having such a dumb thought.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But logically it's inconsistent. If a fetuses is living it is living. It can't be living in some instances, and deemed not living in others. It's just dumb. And you're dumb for having such a dumb thought.
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OK, I'm "dumb" and so is the United States Congress. After all, that's what the law says.

Perhaps you are looking at things from the wrong perspective and maybe I can help you understand it. You're just focusing on the fetus and looking at the law as a fetus-protection law. It's not. This is a law to protect women. So, try to look at the law from the viewpoint of the pregnant woman.

If the woman chooses and consents to have an abortion, it's legal and a constitutionally protected right. It's her choice and her right to have dominion over her body. If someone else chooses to murder her without her consent and thereby terminates her pregnancy without her consent, it's murder. Get it?
 
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