Covid Follies #8

[Into the Night]

FOCUS, Matthew, FOCUS. You originally said, " Oh? What about Biden with the most "Decrees" coming down from the Oval Office in the 1st 2 months ever?"

which to date you have NOT explained how that equates into fascism, as a fascist gov't would NOT be limited to signing statements regulations: For your education:

https://guides.loc.gov/legislative-history/presidential-communications/signing-statements

As to the lobby pipeline from public service, I agree that should be stopped. But again, that is NOT the definition of fascism, no matter how bad you want it to be.

Capice? I hope so, because I tire of the insipidly stubborn parroting by you right wing flunkies.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets.
Biden is a fascist. He is manipulating the energy market.

 

[Into the Night]

STFU you fucking arrogant asshat pussy motherfucker!

You're not much smarter than a dog turd, bitch!

Biden is "ruling from top down" like a fascist, retardo.

Are you totally oblivious that policy should be originating in the House?

Of fucking course you are! You probably never even had a Civics class.

Allow me to find where that is in The Constitution and post it for you to see, boy.

Article 1, sections 7-8
"Section 7

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."


https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-1/

Biden is chief puppet. He is not ruling anything. Who is pulling the strings (some of which seem to be broken!)? Pelosi, Obama, Hillary. Harris is a puppet too.

You are correct. The Democrats do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Red's projecting again, folks. Sad.

Fallacy fallacy. There is no inversion fallacy by Red.

No shyte, Sherlock....that's my point....

The temperature of a city is unknown. You cannot say if it's warmer or colder than the temperature of a suburb, which is also unknown.

not enough trees, plants, grass and earth to absorb the industrial pollutants spewed into the air by cars and factories.

Define 'pollution'.

that affects the atmosphere for some radius of these large cities.

The temperature of a city is unknown.

Again, educate yourself on "acid rain", what it does and where it comes from.

Rain is naturally acid. Sulfuric dioxide gas can easily be removed from coal burning, and is in the States.

An erroneous conclusion by a relative minority of scientist (a percentage funded by corporations and the oil industry).

Science isn't a community. It isn't any scientist or group of scientists. It isn't people at all. There is no consensus used in science. Science is set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all.

Here, for your education: Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming

Science does not use proxy measurements. Science does not conjecture data. CO2 has absolutely no capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz6pathEO9C

Science isn't a magazine, book, pamphlet, or website.

Again, a fantastically moot point by which no scientist or folk like me have stated otherwise. To allude to such is a typical failed ploy by industry parrots like Red. The discussion deals with man's artificial addition to the planet's CO2 level coupled with urbanization and deforestation in the last 2 centuries.

Science isn't a 'study' or a 'research'. It is not a university, college, government agency, degree, license, title, or consensus. It is not an academy, society, or any other political organization. It is not any scientist or group of scientists. It is not people at all. It is just a set of falsifiable theories. CO2 has absolutely no capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

Another foolish statement by Red, because as the chronology of the posts shows Red thinks that pollution ONLY affects one aspect of the environment.

Define 'pollution'. Define 'environment'. Buzzword fallacies.

Someone he trusts should explain to Red that if you kill off a predator species in a lake due to pollution,

Define 'pollution'.

the plant life it consumed (and/or the animals that consumed that plant life) runs rampant, kills off the oxygen in that lake. the lake dies,

Plants are life. the lake hasn't died.

and whatever it meant to any water table or surrounding animal life in the food chain in the area dies with it.

Plants are part of the food chain. Plants are living things. How does plant growth equate with 'no life'???

chain reaction that over time results in a dead zone and less co2/oxygen exchange.

How does plant growth equate with 'dead zone'? How does plant growth prevent photosynthesis?

Or you have trees and the lake die due to acid rain from industry smoke stacks.

Rain is naturally acid. Sulfuric dioxide is removed from coal emissions.

Multiply this the nth degree across the planet,

Argument from randU fallacy. What is 'nth'. Why is this a multiplier at all? What is it a multiplier of? Buzzword fallacies.

and you see a market change in climate intensity

Climate has no quantitative value. There is no such thing as 'climate intensity'. Buzzword fallacies.

and duration.

There is no such thing as 'climate duration'. Climate has no quantitative value. Buzzword fallacy.

Here Red is babbling, as he contradicts himself from intitial contentions.

Word salad. Try English. It works better.

Pure supposition and conjecture based on the erroneous beliefs regarding climate change.

Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy.

Typical right wing/corporatist dodge techniques

What is being 'dodged'? Buzzword fallacy.

create a false narrative and extrapolate from it as if it's legit. A "red herring" to be sure.

Nope. It is what YOU are doing. You are describing yourself.

A childish, ignorant retort

You are also describing much of what YOU do.

See how I deconstruct Red's blather.

Assumption of victory fallacy.
Attempted proof by randU. Attempted proof by void. Attempted proof by negative. Denial of science. Denial of mathematics.

 

[Into the Night]

First you project your own stupidity, the then you put supposition and conjecture out there like its fact.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again.

Why? It's not factually or logically sound.

You deny logic.

 

[Into the Night]

You're a legend in your own mind, Matty.

You are describing yourself again. Inversion fallacy.

You haven't provided one shred of scientific evidence to disprove the content of my links,

Science isn't evidence. Science isn't a proof. He is not required to prove a negative. Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

Theories of science you deny:

1st law of thermodynamics: E(t+1) = E(t)-U where 'E' is energy, 't' is time, and 'U' is work. You can't create energy out of nothing. CO2 has absolutely no capability to warm the Earth.
2nd law of thermodynamics: e(t+1) >= e(t) where 'e' is entropy, and 't' is time. CO2 has absolutely no capability to reduce entropy. You cannot heat the surface using a colder gas.
Stefan-Boltzmann law: r = C*e*t^4 where 'r' is radiance in watts per square area, 'C' is a natural constant, 'e' is a measured constant of how well a surface emits, and 't' is temperature in deg K. ALL matter radiates light as a result of thermal energy. ALL frequencies of light are considered. CO2 has absolutely no capability to 'shut off' or limit radiance caused by thermal energy.

You, like the Church of Global Warming, deny each of these laws of physics.

let alone the undeniable references to what happens to an environment when inundated with pollution,

Define 'pollution'.

let alone regional & global climate changes.

Define 'climate change'. There is no such thing as a global climate.

I already debunked Red's stupidity regarding the ice core/co2 myth.

You debunked nothing. Attempted proof by circular argument (fundamentalism).

You'd know that if you actually read the material. You didn't, as the sheer lack of subject understanding in your response shows.

Attempted proof by scripture.

And For your education grass is on the list...mind you its not a heavy contributor,

Grass is among the fastest growing plants. There are faster ones, such as kudzu, but grass grows literally anywhere. It is by far the greatest contributor of conversion of CO2 to carbohydrates and oxygen through the action of photosynthesis.

but it does contribute and is a vital part of the environment.
...deleted Holy Link...

Define 'environment'.

Bottom line: the majority of my skewering of Red's rhetoric

Attempted proof by circular argument (fundamentalism). Attempted proof by buzzword.

left you with lame attempts and self aggrandizing baloney as a response.

Argument of the stone fallacy.

Once again, Matty, you're just a delusional confederate failure. Carry on.

Bulverism fallacy.


You deny science. You deny logic. You deny mathematics. You are a fundamentalist believer in the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, and the Church of Covid; all stemming from the Church of Karl Marx.

 

[Into the Night]

Hey fucktard: The burning of fossil fuels produces Carbon Monoxide, not Dioxide.

WRONG. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.

 

[Into the Night]

Nice recitation, Matty....how does this change the FACT that the signing statements are and have been a LEGAL PART of the government apparatus LONG before you or I were born....much less that FACT that the Congressional Senate can take steps to curtail the legislative effects of such statements (via the SCOTUS, for example). You'd know this if your read the information in my link....which you obviously didn't.

The Supreme Court has no authority to interpret or change the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution. See Article III.
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[Into the Night]

The President does not create laws, genius.

An executive order is considered law, if the order conforms to the Constitution of the United States. See Article II.

And stating a moot point pretty much contradicts your moronic bleating a revisionist belief.

Bulverism fallacy.

READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY THE ENTIRE ARTICLE IN THE LINK, YOU BLITHERING BUMPKIN! Like your orange pated hero, you think parroting what you THINK supercedes what actuallly IS. Fortunately, the objective reader sees your folly.

Belittlement fallacy. False authority fallacy. The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States. You simply do not recognize it nor the constitution of any State.

GTFU, Matty. There's nothing "fascists" about signing statements

Correct. The definition of fascism is government manipulation of markets. Biden is a fascist, manipulating the energy and other markets. It is what the Democrats WANT. They are converting the federal government into an oligarchy to implement it. Socialism is theft of wealth. It requires the use of a dictatorship or oligarchy to implement it.

you or I may not like them regarding the subject or the Presidential political party, but that doesn't make them fascist.

Biden is fascist. So are Democrats. They all want to use government to manipulate markets.

Like I schooled you earlier,

You are illiterate. You cannot school anyone.

true fascist gov't

True Scotsman fallacy.

doesn't need, require or incorporate a signing statement. Got that, bunky?

Oligarchies and dictatorships both use signed statements. Edicts from kings are signed and committees are signed.

 

[Into the Night]

Because the LAW passed through the Congress and Senate without GOP votes necessary, genius! PAY ATTENTION TO CURRENT EVENTS, AND USE OTHER NEWS SOURCES BESIDES CLEAR CHANNEL OR FOX OR THE MURDOCH media machine. Jeez!

I oughta here for now. Got stuff to do. Your education will have to wait. Blather on, Gen. Lee

Justifying a dictatorship or oligarchy by some fantasized 'necessity' is a fallacy, dude. It's called the circular argument fallacy, also known as fundamentalism.

 

[Into the Night]

My God, you really are this ignorant of how things work, aren't you? Once again for your education ...deleted Holy Links...

The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States. The Democrats, including Joe Biden, do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor of any State constitution. The are currently converting the federal government into an oligarchy to implement fascism.

That's how it's done, toodles. Nothing in this or the previous information that you ignored that demonstrates or allows Biden to do 'top down decrees' via a signing statement.

Already done, dude. Biden has been making more executive orders than anyone.

That's what YOU initially asserted, of which you compounded your error by claiming it was "fascist" in nature.

It is fascist in nature. Biden is signing these orders for government to manipulate markets, the very definition of fascism.

Your proud ignorance and insipid stubbornness are just pathetic.....small wonder you're still flying a confederate flag,

It is not the Confederate flag. Denial of history. The Stars and Bars is a battle flag. It never represented the Confederacy of the Southern States.

This is one of the flags used by the Southern Confederacy. He is using an old Florida flag. Go look at it again.

as facts and logic mean little to you.

Buzzword fallacies. A fact is not a Universal Truth nor a proof. Learn what 'fact' means. A 'fact' is nothing more than an assumed predicate. The very moment someone disputes a fact, it is not longer a fact. It becomes an argument.

I've proven everthing I stated in this regard using valid, documented facts.

Attempted proof by Void. Buzzword fallacies. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).

You have yet to do so beyond parallel moot points and parroting beliefs as fact.

Argument of the stone fallacy.

Well toodles, PROVE YOUR LAST 2 sentences.

To be done in a moment...wait for it.

None of your out-of-your-ass claims, I want valid documentation that what you assert has happened in no uncertain terms. If you can't find it, don't waste everyone's time with your BS.

Here's your sign:

Current list of executive orders signed by Biden.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh just an update, Europe is now experiencing their Third wave of the virus, coming to a community near you real soon, yes, we picked a great time to open up our States, I hope they charge the leaders that are sentencing their citizens to a death sentence with Murder, because that is what it is.

Fear mongering.

 

[Into the Night]

EOs have all the power of laws.

No, they don't. They only have power of law if and only if they conform to the Constitution of the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

And there you have it, dear readers.

Attempted proof by Void.

This Confederate flag waving fop

There is not Confederate flag used by Matt. That is an old Florida rebel flag. Go look at it again.

can't logically or factually debate his statements beyond a short period

Buzzword fallacies. You deny logic. You do not know what 'fact' means.

it's all opinion,

Belittlement fallacy. Opinions matter.

bluff and bluster for our Matty

Belittlement fallacy. Argument of the stone fallacy.

a dimwit who supported a "leader" who built hotels

Successfully too, I might add. Not such a dimwit.

that excluded the likes of Matty, who was anti-union, constantly stiffing workers, out sourced labor as to not to pay Americans, used Chinese steel to build his hotels and then bitched that China was "eating our lunch".

Straw man fallacies.

This is why I posted the OP, because any stupid move by the current administration to enforce "covid spread prevention" rules that directly affect public movement, etc., is playing right into the hands of willfully ignorant louts like Matty.

Biden does not command the virus. Neither did Trump. Covid19 is the mildest virus of the Covid/SARS series so far discovered.

Time will tell, but one thing is certain..Matty has once again demonstrated to be a preposterous right wing troll. He's done.

Buzzword fallacies. Apparently 'troll' to you means anyone that disagrees with you.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh just an update, Europe is now experiencing their Third wave of the virus, coming to a community near you real soon, yes, we picked a great time to open up our States, I hope they charge the leaders that are sentencing their citizens to a death sentence with Murder, because that is what it is.

Fear mongering.

 

[Into the Night]

That didn't really go through the proper channels.

There is no authority in the constitution given to the President to manipulate markets, imprison people without trial, change the constitution or any State constitution, implement any law requiring Congressional vote, or to practice racism. Executive orders signed by Biden do all of these things. You are correct.

 

[Nordberg]

An executive order is not law. It is defined as a signed, written, published directive that manages operations of the Federal Govt. In a sense it has the power of law, except it, can be gutted by congress refusing to fund it or the next president ending it. It is codified as Federal Regulation.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Why can't we all just keep the masks until July?

Then we track down the anti-vaxxers and euthanize them. They'll never have to suffer another needle after that last one. It's humane.

Then we're all set.

A bit extreme, ehh?

 

[Taichiliberal]

In UK you don't have to take the vaccine as long as you do the certification - SO THATS FINE THEN. VACCINES ARE MEANINGLESS.

But there lies the rub, Cordy....done properly and given in a proper regimented dosage, vaccines can work. Unfortunately, we're dealing with a profit driven society that unfortunately guides or national health systems (I'm speaking about America, as the UK incorporates socialized medicine to a degree). Throw in the ego drive for prestige, and the general public loses out.

Can you explain to me what exactly is the "certification" in the UK? Thanks.