Creationist child abusers close doors

PostmodernProphet said:
I suggested it for the specific reason I stated in the question......are you unable to continue the discussion simply because you want to repeat what's already been said?.......
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You refuse to continue the discussion by providing a straight answer and are instead attempting to change the subject. How long ago, and feel free to provide a range, was the flood event? Why is the 20-50 thousand years relevant to the question?
 
Professor Baxter said:
You refuse to continue the discussion by providing a straight answer and are instead attempting to change the subject. How long ago, and feel free to provide a range, was the flood event? Why is the 20-50 thousand years relevant to the question?
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I've answered all of your questions over and over again.....the 20-50k range ISN'T relevant to my question.....I've invited you to insert whatever range you feel comfortable with.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and of course, you wouldn't admit to inserting any foolishness, would you.....
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Somebody has to insert something for you. You're attempting to throw out a large part of your bible on some lame excuse that it's nothing but poetry. I've suggested the Adam/Eve story has to be considered poetry and you don't rebut that. Or maybe you do?

If you are going to try to run with the 'poetry' excuse then you also have to be willing to defend it. So far you haven't really stated anything that we evolutionists didn't already know. What is not considered 'literal' must obviously be considered as not literal. It simply means that you don't take your bible literally and it doesn't need to be stated any more clearly than that. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of instances of stories in the bible that can't be taken literally in the modern world.

If that's your choice of what to believe then that's not something that I even care to debate with you. But it does set the bar for you and your personal beliefs. If you care to elaborate on what's not literal then you go ahead. You can use my example for a start if you like.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
??..in the context of which of my statements?.....
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If you quit trying to spin your way out of shit and demonstrate that you do in fact possess a backbone I would not need to remind you. You said...

PostmodernProphet said:
???......actually, its because I don't know what the answer is......no one does.....the Bible doesn't say......though four chapters later we find the words " From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.", which would imply that at the time of the flood everyone lived pretty much in the same place......
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Who is everyone? Is it just you and your fellow invertebrates? All humans? All animals? All life?

You insist on being vague so that you can claim someone has taken your "poerty" the wrong way once it's shown to be foolishness.
 
Don't take the 10,000 years literally Baxter. It could mean something a lot different from what we know as earth years. Or it could perhaps be included in the description of poetry.

For instance, the forty days and forty nights could actually mean forty years.

Not to mention that it could rain for a thousand years and there still wouldn't be enough water. Which again means that the flood is poetry too.

The task has become one of trying to find something in the bible that isn't considered poetry! Anything that is contained within a story that is considered poetry then must by it's nature be considered poetry too!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I've answered all of your questions over and over again.....the 20-50k range ISN'T relevant to my question.....I've invited you to insert whatever range you feel comfortable with.....
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You have not answered at all.

You claim that all science must agree with this fairy tale about Noah loading a boat with the ideal forms or "kinds" of various animals and saving them from a world wide flood. It's been pointed out to you numerous times that this is not possible and there all sorts of flaws. There is absolute conclusive proof that the earth has not experienced any sort of worldwide flood since the appearance of homininae basal members much less that of the homo or homo sapiens. The basal members of "cat kind" show up at a time providing the same problems.

The time frame that would be required for a single cat species to evolve into all the different forms of felines is well over 20-50 thousand years. But even if we only go back that far it requires, as I mentioned before, our acceptance as the sole source for this flood event as very old myths passed through oral traditions. It's not credible. Even going back 6000 years is a reach for that sort of flimsy proof.

We should not be teaching our kids to reject science for silly old myths and fairy tales.
 
God shrunk all the animals Baxter, it's the only logical explanation, and I'm not being sarcastic about it. the timeframe of years is not to be taken as meaning the same as what we consider to be a year.
 
monty1 said:
Somebody has to insert something for you. You're attempting to throw out a large part of your bible on some lame excuse that it's nothing but poetry. I've suggested the Adam/Eve story has to be considered poetry and you don't rebut that. Or maybe you do?

If you are going to try to run with the 'poetry' excuse then you also have to be willing to defend it. So far you haven't really stated anything that we evolutionists didn't already know. What is not considered 'literal' must obviously be considered as not literal. It simply means that you don't take your bible literally and it doesn't need to be stated any more clearly than that. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of instances of stories in the bible that can't be taken literally in the modern world.

If that's your choice of what to believe then that's not something that I even care to debate with you. But it does set the bar for you and your personal beliefs. If you care to elaborate on what's not literal then you go ahead. You can use my example for a start if you like.
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pmp believes that he has a poetic license to (re)interpret the Bible, but it is just him. Everyone else is lying.
 
Professor Baxter said:
pmp believes that he has a poetic license to (re)interpret the Bible, but it is just him. Everyone else is lying.
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I thought it was a she. In any case, it's not a reinterpretation as much as it is an interpretation. I think it's a step forward for Christians to attempt to separate the literal from the non-literal or 'poetry'. It's certainly has to be a step up from people such as Ken Ham. Much more deserving of an evolutionist's time than Ham.

The curious part of it is that people like pmp are willing to be mocked and abused verbally by people like you for no apparent reason. It's not as if any argument is going to be solved conclusively on this thread. I wonder if he derives satisfaction in some way by doing it?

And the same goes for those who would waste their time arguing with Ken Ham and his ilk. That has to be belief in God that touches on insanity. At least PMP is trying to reconcile the problems, albeit in a weak way. He should be resorting to the final argument when the Christian says, I know it's true because I have faith.
 
monty1 said:
God shrunk all the animals Baxter, it's the only logical explanation, and I'm not being sarcastic about it. the timeframe of years is not to be taken as meaning the same as what we consider to be a year.
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He has implied before that only one of each "kind" was taken. This is a common argument from the science denying creationist and you can find it at Ham's AnswersInGenesis.com. So, this implies that Noah took on species of "cat kind" and pmp has claimed that the diversity between, lions, tigers, snow leopards and house cats is just adaptation to their environment and not examples of macroevolution.

In this thread he seemed to vaguely indicate that evolution was not limited to this barrier of "kinds" but I am sure he will backtrack on that later.
 
Professor Baxter said:
He has implied before that only one of each "kind" was taken. This is a common argument from the science denying creationist and you can find it at Ham's AnswersInGenesis.com. So, this implies that Noah took on species of "cat kind" and pmp has claimed that the diversity between, lions, tigers, snow leopards and house cats is just adaptation to their environment and not examples of macroevolution. In this thread he seemed to vaguely indicate that evolution was not limited to this barrier of "kinds" but I am sure he will backtrack on that later.
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He won't state what he believes like he is embarrassed by it.
 
monty1 said:
You're attempting to throw out a large part of your bible on some lame excuse that it's nothing but poetry.
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lol.....a 6000 year old earth isn't a "large part of the Bible".....it isn't even IN the Bible......I haven't thrown anything about creation out of the Bible, other than your and the Rev. Phelps efforts to restrict it to a literalist interpretation that comports to your expectations......

I believe that "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"......now, you can refuse to believe that the depiction of that creation is not poetry but a narrative if you choose......however, I fully expect you to also believe that when the fog in Chicago creeps in on little cat feet, it ought to be spayed.......

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of instances of stories in the bible that can't be taken literally in the modern world.
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I will agree with that statement completely....which underscores why my telling Darla I would not list them for he is not a dodge......it was simply an unreasonable request.....I HAVE explained why this passage IS poetry and how you can identify similar passages.....

You can use my example for a start if you like.
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the Adam and Eve story?....the one that begins....
3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty....
 
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Professor Baxter said:
If you quit trying to spin your way out of shit and demonstrate that you do in fact possess a backbone I would not need to remind you. You said...



Who is everyone? Is it just you and your fellow invertebrates? All humans? All animals? All life?

You insist on being vague so that you can claim someone has taken your "poerty" the wrong way once it's shown to be foolishness.
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when I made that post I was thinking of humanity....
 
Professor Baxter said:
The time frame that would be required for a single cat species to evolve into all the different forms of felines is well over 20-50 thousand years.
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only if you have to wait for "shit happening" to happen......if you had a fully operating genetics lab armed with all the knowledge we have today I expect with a moderate bank of genomes you could generate the equivalent in a few thousand years......if you had the knowledge of the being that CREATED the genome and the power to make exactly the necessary changes to accomplish what you desire you could probably make it happen in a couple of generations......
 
 
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monty1 said:
The curious part of it is that people like pmp are willing to be mocked and abused verbally by people like you for no apparent reason.
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???...
Matthew 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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I figure you guys are worth at least a room with a view.....
 
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