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The kids who needed special attention got it as well. But to completely ignore the gifted kids in favor of only helping the retards is ......well....retarded.
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The kids who needed special attention got it as well. But to completely ignore the gifted kids in favor of only helping the retards is ......well....retarded.
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It's strange that you remember something about me that I do not. And I take your failure to do anything but resort to ad hominem's as a sign of my complete and total steamrolling of you. When I was in accelerated classes I thought that they were great. However, I've recently come over to the view that they're counterproductive. Resources should flow to those with need, not the other way around.
People with a slight advantage in reading in the fifth grade are given all the advantages in the world - because, let's just extrapolate, clearly since they're so smart now, they need extra help to reach they're true potential and they'll be president! Wrong. That's not how things work. A small advantage in reading is a small advantage in reading. It doesn't matter. You're not special.
Practically never is a "genius" a genius because of some wild extrapolation of his reading ability in kindergarten. A genius is a genius because they become obsessed over something. Einstein, for instance, was obsessed over a problem he came up with for light for ten years, sitting and brooding over it all the time. When he came up with a decent explanation, he named it special relativity. And lo and behold, it just happened to be right! And then he went on to General Relativity. And then he sat around for about 30 years trying to disprove quantum theory, contributing practically nothing to science.. Genius isn't talent, it's work. And your kids don't have the mental diseases necessary to become obsessed enough over something enough that it matters. Your kids are retards, utterly average people who at best just happen to study a lot or cheat.
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"Gifted" kids should get the same curriculum as everyone else.
DamnYankee
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You idiot it takes no more time to teach a class of bright students twice as much then retards like you half. You're lucky that I wasn't in your school because I'd have taken your lunch money and give you a wedgie so bad your skid mark would be on your nose, every morning.
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Let's think about it this way. With weight training, sure, some people may have a little additional testorone or something that allows them to get stronger for the same amount of work. But if everyone works out for 30 minutes a day they're going to get stronger regardless. Gifted programs are like taking the ones who just happened to have a little edge and making them work out an hour a day, and then standing proud at the results and calling the other kids weaklings cursed by God.
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No, its more like my kid went thru and did the 5th grade math book problems for fun when he was in the 3rd grade.
Should he be stopped from advancing just to make the idiots feel adequate?
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You idiot it takes no more time to teach a class of bright students twice as much then retards like you half. You're lucky that I wasn't in your school because I'd have taken your lunch money and give you a wedgie so bad your skid mark would be on your nose, every morning.
SM, you are all the proof I need that people of utterly base intellect can be trained to specialized positions regardless.
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Yeah, that's basically where I'm getting my argument. Thanks.
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Two kids of differing intellect who study and are taught an equal amount of time should probably converge in ability, not diverge, unless they are artificially forced to diverge by gifted programs. I actually think the same divergence would happen if you took kids with less intelligence and made them study more.
You're lucky that I wasn't in your school because I'd have taken your lunch money and give you a wedgie so bad your skid mark would be on your nose, every morning.
You're human kitsch, SM.
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Douchebag I lived through the socialist education utopia that you wish for growing up in Taxachusetts.
Back in the late 1940's when my parents were educated right, with the gifted kids challenged, and my Dad won a full ride scholarship to Boston College High School. When he graduated he enlisted in the Army and after they tested him they declared him too valuable to send overseas, and set him up designing ballistic missiles. He beat out all the college grads and all he had was a high school education.
But when I went through school Massachusetts had turned into your socialist utopia and we were all treated the same. My Mom like all the others read Spock's (no not the Vulcan) book about how to raise kids. I tested real high on the IQ and she burned the test results so I "wouldn't feel superior" to the others. I spent my elementary years staring at the clock, junior high getting in fights and high school drinking and getting stoned, graduating dead center in the middle of my class.
When I went to college I struggled through calculus, taking seven semesters to pass four. It wasn't until I met the right girl who saw my potential that I straightened out, was able to apply myself and after 9 semesters I graduated with a degree in engineering, cum laude. In my last semester I was offered me a full ride scholarship for graduate school in environmental engineering along with a teaching assistant position. Haven taken too long to finish my bachelor's I had bills to pay so had to refuse. Then during my first job stint I was offered a full ride scholarship to John's Hopkins for a degree in Industrial Hygiene. I refused that again because of my overdue loans.
Its a long story but the jist of it is that I was held back because of your socialist utopia. It took me 4 or 5 years longer to get to the point that my Dad did. And lost the opportunity for free graduate school education.
Because of that I hate you liberal socialist pigs with all my soul. You can go fuck yourself, abort your babies, and rot in hell for the rest of eternity.
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Douchebag I lived through the socialist education utopia that you wish for growing up in Taxachusetts.
Back in the late 1940's when my parents were educated right, with the gifted kids challenged, and my Dad won a full ride scholarship to Boston College High School. When he graduated he enlisted in the Army and after they tested him they declared him too valuable to send overseas, and set him up designing ballistic missiles. He beat out all the college grads and all he had was a high school education.
But when I went through school Massachusetts had turned into your socialist utopia and we were all treated the same. My Mom like all the others read Spock's (no not the Vulcan) book about how to raise kids. I tested real high on the IQ and she burned the test results so I "wouldn't feel superior" to the others. I spent my elementary years staring at the clock, junior high getting in fights and high school drinking and getting stoned, graduating dead center in the middle of my class.
When I went to college I struggled through calculus, taking seven semesters to pass four. It wasn't until I met the right girl who saw my potential that I straightened out, was able to apply myself and after 9 semesters I graduated with a degree in engineering, cum laude. In my last semester I was offered me a full ride scholarship for graduate school in environmental engineering along with a teaching assistant position. Haven taken too long to finish my bachelor's I had bills to pay so had to refuse. Then during my first job stint I was offered a full ride scholarship to John's Hopkins for a degree in Industrial Hygiene. I refused that again because of my overdue loans.
Its a long story but the jist of it is that I was held back because of your socialist utopia. It took me 4 or 5 years longer to get to the point that my Dad did. And lost the opportunity for free graduate school education.
Because of that I hate you liberal socialist pigs with all my soul. You can go fuck yourself, abort your babies, and rot in hell for the rest of eternity.
So let me see if I get this right.
You preach about how people should be responsible for their own lives and their own mistakes. You especially like to preach that concerning pregnant teens and homosexuals.
But when you fuck off in school for years, you want to blame liberals?
there is such a thing as being naturally more intelligent. Practice helps to an immense degree, but a kid that reads at a very young age is much more than an indicator that the kid is JUST good at reading, rather it's going to be very likely he just has a better overall cognitive ability.
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But when I went through school Massachusetts had turned into your socialist utopia and we were all treated the same. My Mom like all the others read Spock's (no not the Vulcan) book about how to raise kids. I tested real high on the IQ and she burned the test results so I "wouldn't feel superior" to the others. I spent my elementary years staring at the clock, junior high getting in fights and high school drinking and getting stoned, graduating dead center in the middle of my class.
Well we got that in common too SM. You just pretty much described my high school years. I remember one of the girls in the national honor society cried when she found out I scored higher on the SAT then her ( I was a serious long haired hippy freak at the time). I laughed at her and called her stupid for getting so wrapped up about a freaken test and then I told her I hadn't even studied for the test, which was true.
Good grades are nice but not the be all end all of life. I know an engineer who's a Princeton Grad. He runs a Sub shop. I wouldn't let him design a bird house for me. He's one of the most inept engineers I ever worked with but he did go to Princeton and graduated with honors as an EE. When I was in grad school the honor students were uniformly the worst clinicians. They had zero instincts on how to apply what they learned matched by an utter lack of compassion, empathy or the semblence of a bed side manner. Grades are just one measure of success but not the only one.
Well we got that in common too SM. You just pretty much described my high school years. I remember one of the girls in the national honor society cried when she found out I scored higher on the SAT then her ( I was a serious long haired hippy freak at the time). I laughed at her and called her stupid for getting so wrapped up about a freaken test and then I told her I hadn't even studied for the test, which was true.
Good grades are nice but not the be all end all of life. I know an engineer who's a Princeton Grad. He runs a Sub shop. I wouldn't let him design a bird house for me. He's one of the most inept engineers I ever worked with but he did go to Princeton and graduated with honors as an EE. When I was in grad school the honor students were uniformly the worst clinicians. They had zero instincts on how to apply what they learned matched by an utter lack of compassion, empathy or the semblence of a bed side manner. Grades are just one measure of success but not the only one.
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Grades and scores are what is looked at. Period. That's why they matter, and for a person like me, who has no technical skills, they matter a great deal.
WM, no one in education will tell you that treating every student exactly the same is a good idea. You're a fucking idiot.
WM, no one in education will tell you that treating every student exactly the same is a good idea. You're a fucking idiot.
what watermark is saying is if you took any 5 year old and started making sure they were in "gifted programs" that over the next 13 years of pre-college education the results would probably be similar. I mostly agree. Though obviously there are going to be some that for whatever reason just have better cognitive abilities. Some people are stronger, some people are smarter.
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And everyone is different, but some students do need these programs if compulsory education is going to be anything other than a complete waste of there time.
I got to observe one gifted class of middle schoolers. They were pretty bright, witty, and generally impressed me with their level of knowledge for their age.
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I'm right and everyone else is wrong. Debate closed.