Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

Good Luck said:
OTOH, humans have also placed much of sexual behavior into the social realm. We even have an entire industry whose purpose is to PREVENT reproduction in spite of sexual behaviors, which from a purely biological aspect, is itself an aberrant behavior.** And, since any society can freely define what is and what is not aberrant behavior from the aspect of their social structure, quite literally anything and everything can be defined as "normal" if enough of society desires such a definition.
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Humans? Well, in as much as Americans are human (most anyway), but using the term 'humans' assumes, or leads one to assume, that this is a generality and applies to all, or the vast majority, of human beings. That, as anyone who has read a book, will tell you is patently untrue.
NOT all societies share the American obsession with sex. NOT all societies allow the production and promotion of pornography as America does. NOT all societies find comfort in discussing various sexual proclivities in public.
America is NOT representative of the world. It is NOT representative of all human beings. Its morals and ethics are NOT the same as many other countries. And with the awakening of the world America will NOT continue to polute the planet just because she thinks she is right.
 
poet said:
You know, normally, I respect the family members of forum members...but since apples don't fall too far from rotten trees, I've revised my stance.
She may have passed from this earthly plane, as has mine, but you and I, both, remain. And look at us. I have no animosity for you based on your race. I have many dear white friends....so all that talk about being racist is simply "bullshit". The reason I despise you, is because of your contempt for me as a black man, and as a gay man. That's basic. The fact that you would go so far as to disrespect my relationship shows that you don't give a damn....so, why should I? If my partner was female, we'd be considered married "by common law", after 10 years. The fact that Texas doesn't recognize it, means absolutely nothing to me. One day it will....hopefully in my lifetime...and this all will be a moot point.
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My "contempt" for you has nothing to do with your race or that your gay.
You're an ass and your failure to see this, makes you even more undesiralble.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
My "contempt" for you has nothing to do with your race or that your gay.
You're an ass and your failure to see this, makes you even more undesiralble.
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Yeah, right. And you're too trifling or lazy to spellcheck, before sending out your posts. The impression is "you're stupid".
Still can't distinguish between "your' and "you're". Sad.
 
WinterBorn said:
The biggest problem I have with your statement is that I question why people seek help. If it is because they truly want to be heterosexual, that is fine with me. But what I see as the biggest reasons for not wanting to be gay is the social stigma and the religious pressures. Both of those can create a huge problem for someone who is attracted to people of the same gender.

The idea that homosexuality is a disorder would mean that there is something wrong with being homosexual, in and of itself. I have not seen that in any research. I see it as like being left-handed, it may be different and the exception rather than the rule, but it is not a disorder because it is not a medical or psychological problem in its own right.
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That's exactly the problem people have with seeking help...people like you and YOUR doubts. The pro homosexual lobby has worked its will by creating people who think like you. Since when must something be fine with people who think like you, before it's OK to seek help? And why is someones personal religious convictions a "pressure" and not a personal conviction?

Saying it is normal does not make it so. Removing it from psychiatric medical books as a sexual deviance from the norm- does not make it normal sexual behavior. What is has done is basically kill research for those who don't want to be immersed in the typical homosexual lifestyle-


Male Homosexuals

Research indicates that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:

· The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year.[12]

· Bell and Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having one thousand or more sex partners.[13]

· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1,000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than one thousand lifetime sexual partners.[14]

· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners.[15]

And finally to put to rest other challenges there's this:

While no one has carried out a door-to-door census, we do have a fairly accurate estimate. Interestingly, these statistics came to light in an amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003, in the Lawrence vs. Texas case (commonly known as the Texas sodomy case). On page 16 of this legal brief, footnote 42 revealed that 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following:

The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994).

The study also found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sex partners since age 18—a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual (based on the last census report, showing roughly 292 million people living in America). The resulting accurate figures demonstrate that significantly less than one percent of the American population claims to be homosexual. The NHSLS results are similar to a survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986) of public school students. The survey showed that only 0.6% of the boys and 0.2% of the girls identified themselves as “mostly or 100% homosexual.”

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

The total population of the U.S. is 285,230,516.
The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.
The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent.

But since most people are not mathematicians, we would like to make this point in a way that most individuals will be able to better comprehend. If we were to start a new television sitcom, and wanted to accurately portray homosexual ratios in society, we would need 199 heterosexual actors before we finally introduced one homosexual actor.
 
poet said:
Yeah, right. And you're too trifling or lazy to spellcheck, before sending out your posts. The impression is "you're stupid".
Still can't distinguish between "your' and "you're". Sad.
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If you truly feel that your ability to pick up on posters spelling errors actually means something, then your life is pretty pathetic. :)
So I'll tell you what, Mary; you just go right ahead and spend your time being the spelling Nazi, because that way you'll have something to keep you busy and stop you from wandering the streets. :lol:
 
icedancer2theend said:
That's exactly the problem people have with seeking help...people like you and YOUR doubts. The pro homosexual lobby has worked its will by creating people who think like you. Since when must something be fine with people who think like you, before it's OK to seek help? And why is someones personal religious convictions a "pressure" and not a personal conviction?

Saying it is normal does not make it so. Removing it from psychiatric medical books as a sexual deviance from the norm- does not make it normal sexual behavior. What is has done is basically kill research for those who don't want to be immersed in the typical homosexual lifestyle-
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People like me with our doubts is why they have trouble seeking help? WTF? I could care less if they seek help. I have not condemned them for seeking help nor have I condemned them for being who they are. I have not said anything negative about someone wanting help. My comment was that the social stigma and religious pressures create huge pressures to "be normal". If those are the reasons they are trying to change I pity them.

If someone does not want to be "immersed in the typical homosexual lifestyle" then they shouldn't be. But whether you have 500 sex partners or 1 sex partner does not change the gender that attracts you.

And if the figures are accurate, are you saying that a group that comprises less than one-half of one percent forced the entire psychiatric and medical profession into changing?
 
icedancer2theend said:
That's exactly the problem people have with seeking help...people like you and YOUR doubts. The pro homosexual lobby has worked its will by creating people who think like you. Since when must something be fine with people who think like you, before it's OK to seek help? And why is someones personal religious convictions a "pressure" and not a personal conviction?

Saying it is normal does not make it so. Removing it from psychiatric medical books as a sexual deviance from the norm- does not make it normal sexual behavior. What is has done is basically kill research for those who don't want to be immersed in the typical homosexual lifestyle-


Male Homosexuals

Research indicates that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:

· The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year.[12]

· Bell and Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having one thousand or more sex partners.[13]

· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1,000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than one thousand lifetime sexual partners.[14]

· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than one thousand sexual partners.[15]

And finally to put to rest other challenges there's this:

While no one has carried out a door-to-door census, we do have a fairly accurate estimate. Interestingly, these statistics came to light in an amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003, in the Lawrence vs. Texas case (commonly known as the Texas sodomy case). On page 16 of this legal brief, footnote 42 revealed that 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following:

The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual (Laumann, et al., 1994).

The study also found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sex partners since age 18—a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual (based on the last census report, showing roughly 292 million people living in America). The resulting accurate figures demonstrate that significantly less than one percent of the American population claims to be homosexual. The NHSLS results are similar to a survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986) of public school students. The survey showed that only 0.6% of the boys and 0.2% of the girls identified themselves as “mostly or 100% homosexual.”

The 2000 census sheds even more light on the subject. The overall statistics from the 2000 Census Bureau revealed:

The total population of the U.S. is 285,230,516.
The total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.
The total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.

Thus, out of a population of 106,741,426 households, homosexuals represent 0.42% of those households. That is less than one half of one percent.

But since most people are not mathematicians, we would like to make this point in a way that most individuals will be able to better comprehend. If we were to start a new television sitcom, and wanted to accurately portray homosexual ratios in society, we would need 199 heterosexual actors before we finally introduced one homosexual actor.
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LOL
 
Superfreak said:
Actually, its a bunch of balls slapping you in the face.... which I am quite certain you are enjoying. Its ok to come out of the closet, let go of your hate, embrace your true self.
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Arguments of this kind focus not on the evidence for a view but on the character of the person advancing it; they seek to discredit positions by discrediting those who hold them. It is always important to attack arguments, rather than arguers, and this is where arguments that commit the ad hominem fallacy fall down
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.http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/ad-hominem/
 
poet said:
I don't know. Nobody ever came back to account for his whereabouts. Something I don't even care about.
Truth be told, you don't know, for a fact, either.....it's what you believe. Judgements aren't truth. Idiot.
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You claim to be a Christian so therefore must believe in heaven. Obviously Hitler didn't make the cut for that destination, so where did he go? :)
 
DamnYankee said:
Are you claiming that licensed marriage and traditional families do not contribute to the stability of a society?
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Are you saying that single people, and childless people contribute less to the stability of a society? Seriously? You really should say no to drugs.
 
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http://www.apa.org/

Are you really that stupid?

You don't remember your own fucking posts? Pathetic.
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I didn't cite the APA as a reference for homosexuality. Why do you feel the need to distort the truth? Obviously because your arguments are just too damn weak. :)
 
poet said:
Are you saying that single people, and childless people contribute less to the stability of a society? Seriously? You really should say no to drugs.
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Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Childless people don't have children, so don't contribute to society's future in the usual way.
 
DamnYankee said:
You claim to be a Christian so therefore must believe in heaven. Obviously Hitler didn't make the cut for that destination, so where did he go? :)
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The Nicene Creed is the article of my faith.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the essence of the Father. God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten and not made; of the very same nature of the Father, by Whom all things came into being, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Who for us humanity and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate, was made human, was born perfectly of the holy virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit. By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance. He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father. He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, in the uncreated and the perfect; Who spoke through the Law, prophets, and Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints. We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism in repentance, for the remission, and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life.



It doesn't say anything about Hell. I don't know the ways of God. I'm clueless about the afterlife, as you are. We'll know for sure, one day. But right now, all we have is speculation. Why is it so important to you?
 
DamnYankee said:
I didn't cite the APA as a reference for homosexuality. Why do you feel the need to distort the truth? Obviously because your arguments are just too damn weak. :)
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I didn't ask you why you cited it, just that you did. Now, you want to change or alter the ground rules, to suit your argument. LOL.
And you think you've bested folks with your debating skills. I told you just say no to drugs.
 
poet said:
The Nicene Creed is the article of my faith.
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the essence of the Father. God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten and not made; of the very same nature of the Father, by Whom all things came into being, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Who for us humanity and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate, was made human, was born perfectly of the holy virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit. By whom He took body, soul, and mind, and everything that is in man, truly and not in semblance. He suffered, was crucified, was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven with the same body, [and] sat at the right hand of the Father. He is to come with the same body and with the glory of the Father, to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there is no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, in the uncreated and the perfect; Who spoke through the Law, prophets, and Gospels; Who came down upon the Jordan, preached through the apostles, and lived in the saints. We believe also in only One, Universal, Apostolic, and [Holy] Church; in one baptism in repentance, for the remission, and forgiveness of sins; and in the resurrection of the dead, in the everlasting judgement of souls and bodies, and the Kingdom of Heaven and in the everlasting life.



It doesn't say anything about Hell. I don't know the ways of God. I'm clueless about the afterlife, as you are. We'll know for sure, one day. But right now, all we have is speculation. Why is it so important to you?
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The Creed is merely a summation of the Christian Faith. Is that all you have learned? Is your Faith that shallow?
 
DamnYankee said:
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Childless people don't have children, so don't contribute to society's future in the usual way.
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You keep moving the goal posts. Society's future wasn't the issue. Society, at large, and present was. Let's just shoot all the single and childless people, and then we can have a utopian world that DY believes in. How utterly stupid. I'm embarrassed for you.
 
DamnYankee said:
.http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/ad-hominem/
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Your 'arguments' have already been universally destroyed. You have provided NO evidence to support your claims. Your opponent Winterborn provided you with studies to show you that you were wrong. What did you do at that point DY? Oh yeah, YOU decided to try and discredit those who produced the study. Good of you to post your link to logical fallacies. Your timing is impeccable.
 
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