Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

Sinn Fein said:
Not necessarily, but more to the point it'd be proper If I chose how to spend MY money, as I'm the one who earned it.
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You want a libertarian, no tax no govt involvement utopia? go to Somalia the only true libertarian utopia on earth. Otherwise taxes are the price for a civilized society. Ahhh... I forget, the right no longer believes in society.
 
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Currently in the United States, same-sex couples in long-term, committed relationships pay higher taxes and are denied basic protections and rights granted to married straight couples. Among them:

Hospital visitation. Married couples have the automatic right to visit each other in the hospital and make medical decisions. Same-sex couples can be denied the right to visit a sick or injured loved one in the hospital.
Social Security benefits. Married people receive Social Security payments upon the death of a spouse. Despite paying payroll taxes, gay and lesbian partners receive no Social Security survivor benefits — resulting in an average annual income loss of $5,528 upon the death of a partner.
Immigration. Americans in bi-national relationships are not permitted to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate. As a result, they are often forced to separate or move to another country.
Health insurance. Many public and private employers provide medical coverage to the spouses of their employees, but most employers do not provide coverage to the life partners of gay and lesbian employees. Gay and lesbian employees who do receive health coverage for their partners must pay federal income taxes on the value of the insurance.
Estate taxes. A married person automatically inherits all the property of his or her deceased spouse without paying estate taxes. A gay or lesbian taxpayer is forced to pay estate taxes on property inherited from a deceased partner.
Family leave. Married workers are legally entitled to unpaid leave from their jobs to care for an ill spouse. Gay and lesbian workers are not entitled to family leave to care for their partners.
Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. The rights of elderly gay or lesbian couples are an uneven patchwork of state laws. Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Pensions. After the death of a worker, most pension plans pay survivor benefits only to a legal spouse of the participant. Gay and lesbian partners are excluded from such pension benefits.
http://www.hrc.org/issues/5517.htm

damn you guys are dumb.
 
Crashk said:
Currently in the United States, same-sex couples in long-term, committed relationships pay higher taxes and are denied basic protections and rights granted to married straight couples. Among them:

Hospital visitation. Married couples have the automatic right to visit each other in the hospital and make medical decisions. Same-sex couples can be denied the right to visit a sick or injured loved one in the hospital.
Social Security benefits. Married people receive Social Security payments upon the death of a spouse. Despite paying payroll taxes, gay and lesbian partners receive no Social Security survivor benefits — resulting in an average annual income loss of $5,528 upon the death of a partner.
Immigration. Americans in bi-national relationships are not permitted to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate. As a result, they are often forced to separate or move to another country.
Health insurance. Many public and private employers provide medical coverage to the spouses of their employees, but most employers do not provide coverage to the life partners of gay and lesbian employees. Gay and lesbian employees who do receive health coverage for their partners must pay federal income taxes on the value of the insurance.
Estate taxes. A married person automatically inherits all the property of his or her deceased spouse without paying estate taxes. A gay or lesbian taxpayer is forced to pay estate taxes on property inherited from a deceased partner.
Family leave. Married workers are legally entitled to unpaid leave from their jobs to care for an ill spouse. Gay and lesbian workers are not entitled to family leave to care for their partners.
Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. The rights of elderly gay or lesbian couples are an uneven patchwork of state laws. Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Pensions. After the death of a worker, most pension plans pay survivor benefits only to a legal spouse of the participant. Gay and lesbian partners are excluded from such pension benefits.
http://www.hrc.org/issues/5517.htm

damn you guys are dumb.
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It is always good to see you show up!
 
Crashk said:
You want a libertarian, no tax no govt involvement utopia? go to Somalia the only true libertarian utopia on earth. Otherwise taxes are the price for a civilized society. Ahhh... I forget, the right no longer believes in society.
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Somalia, thanks didn't know this little factoid! And no thanks, I hear a meal is hard to find there these days.
 
Crashk said:
Currently in the United States, same-sex couples in long-term, committed relationships pay higher taxes and are denied basic protections and rights granted to married straight couples. Among them:

Hospital visitation. Married couples have the automatic right to visit each other in the hospital and make medical decisions. Same-sex couples can be denied the right to visit a sick or injured loved one in the hospital.
Social Security benefits. Married people receive Social Security payments upon the death of a spouse. Despite paying payroll taxes, gay and lesbian partners receive no Social Security survivor benefits — resulting in an average annual income loss of $5,528 upon the death of a partner.
Immigration. Americans in bi-national relationships are not permitted to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate. As a result, they are often forced to separate or move to another country.
Health insurance. Many public and private employers provide medical coverage to the spouses of their employees, but most employers do not provide coverage to the life partners of gay and lesbian employees. Gay and lesbian employees who do receive health coverage for their partners must pay federal income taxes on the value of the insurance.
Estate taxes. A married person automatically inherits all the property of his or her deceased spouse without paying estate taxes. A gay or lesbian taxpayer is forced to pay estate taxes on property inherited from a deceased partner.
Family leave. Married workers are legally entitled to unpaid leave from their jobs to care for an ill spouse. Gay and lesbian workers are not entitled to family leave to care for their partners.
Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. The rights of elderly gay or lesbian couples are an uneven patchwork of state laws. Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Pensions. After the death of a worker, most pension plans pay survivor benefits only to a legal spouse of the participant. Gay and lesbian partners are excluded from such pension benefits.
http://www.hrc.org/issues/5517.htm

damn you guys are dumb.
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The proposed amendment to the NC Constitution, as passed by the legislature and awaiting approval of the voters, destroys your arguments:

Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts.
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http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2011/Bills/Senate/PDF/S514v3.pdf
 
Crashk said:
You want a libertarian, no tax no govt involvement utopia? go to Somalia the only true libertarian utopia on earth. Otherwise taxes are the price for a civilized society. Ahhh... I forget, the right no longer believes in society.
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No I want minimal government, the same as every other Libertarian. I perfectly understand the need for taxes and their collection. I simply want the spending to be on necessities, and done so fair and evenly. Same with taxes.
 
Sinn Fein said:
No I want minimal government, the same as every other Libertarian. I perfectly understand the need for taxes and their collection. I simply want the spending to be on necessities, and done so fair and evenly. Same with taxes.
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I think it is what we all want, it is just difficult these days to get our representatives to comply!
 
Sinn Fein said:
No I want minimal government, the same as every other Libertarian. I perfectly understand the need for taxes and their collection. I simply want the spending to be on necessities, and done so fair and evenly. Same with taxes.
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So where have you been for the last 30 years? We've had the biggest wealth redistribution to the top since the Gilded age and maybe even bigger. You supported 2 unfunded wars, a failed 'trickle down' theory and deregulation that led to a near disastrous economic meltdown. The tab has been running for 30 yrs and now it's time to pay.
 
DamnYankee said:
As stated. What part don't you understand?
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HOW does gay marriage make a marriage between a man and woman.... weaker?

Like I stated, you are injecting YOUR religious beliefs as to what a 'marriage' should be and pretending that because it has been that way, that we cannot change it. You then offer up NOTHING to support the notion that gay people getting married somehow hurts straight couples and their values.
 
Superfreak said:
HOW does gay marriage make a marriage between a man and woman.... weaker?

Like I stated, you are injecting YOUR religious beliefs as to what a 'marriage' should be and pretending that because it has been that way, that we cannot change it. You then offer up NOTHING to support the notion that gay people getting married somehow hurts straight couples and their values.
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It is his statements like the one you mentioned that make me question if he doesn't want to jump the line and dabble! Projection, you know!
 
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