Democrats Romancing Evangelicals

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The Miracle Workers
For 25 years, evangelicals have voted Republican. But the Democrats are courting, and their efforts may have a prayer.
Eve Conant
Newsweek
Oct. 1, 2007 issue - Richard Land had never met one-on-one with a chairman of the Democratic National Committee. The Tennessee evangelist, an influential force in the Southern Baptist Convention, generally views such people as adversaries, if not enemies. So consider his surprise when, at a nonpartisan leadership conference over the New Year's holiday, Howard Dean leaned in and said he'd love to get together for a private chat. Land agreed to meet for coffee at a downtown Washington hotel. He was wary: "I brought a witness," he jokes now. Dean was there to chip away at Land's loyalty to the GOP, and strangely, Land found himself warming to the liberal Democrat. Among other things, he admired Dean's frugality. "He hauled his own suitcase around, and the Capitol Hill Suites isn't exactly fancy," Land tells NEWSWEEK. "I was impressed." More important, the two men had something to talk about, and did so cordially. "Dean told me how the Democrats were pro-life in that they wanted a country in which abortion was rare. I said, 'I agree, but we disagree how to get there.' Still, it was certainly a change in tone."
For the Democrats, it's a change in tactics as well—an audacious, if not quixotic, effort to win over a constituency that has been solidly Republican for a quarter century. Dean and other Democratic strategists hope to take advantage of deepening discontent with the GOP among some evangelicals. As a movement, conservative Christians have yet to get fired up about any of the leading Republican presidential candidates. There was a brief wave of enthusiasm for Fred Thompson, but that may be ebbing. One of the nation's most influential evangelicals, James Dobson, wrote a scathing e-mail about Thompson, obtained by the Associated Press last week, in which he objected to the candidate's opposition to a constitutional marriage amendment and said Thompson had "no passion, no zeal." Meanwhile, Mitt Romney suffers among some evangelicals because of bias against his Mormon faith. Front runner Rudy Giuliani leaves conservative Christians particularly cold. "If the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate the pro-choice Giuliani, that will give the Democratic Party license to hunt for evangelical votes," says Land, who has been contacted by both the Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton campaigns. "I don't know how successful they'll be, but at least they'll have that license."


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Smart. Very smart. They already have the support of my evengelical stepfather and his family. I can't see how speaking would hurt.

It's why it ticks me off when R candidates fail to even show for a venue with minorities that are unlikely to vote for them.
 
Ok, Dems, but you aren't going to get far with them unless you have your fetus in a box with you.

Without a fetus in a box, Evangelicals just don't take you seriously.

Saturday Special: Only in Arkansas

“Supporters of the memorial said it would allow parents to cope with grief caused by miscarriage, abortion or fetal or infant death.”

The statue is described “as a man holding a baby while talking to a woman. The robe wearing male figure wears sandals.”

“The statue is called the Hope Monument. According to the web site, the male figure is Jesus.”


“The commission met in the Old Supreme Court Room on the Capitol’s second floor. On a table at the rear of the room the group set up a display showing a small model of the proposed statue. At the end of a table was a rectangular, dark wood box. Commission members that the box contained a fetus miscarried in 1993.

“Since he was considered medical waste, his mother asked if he could be preserved,” (organizer Millie) Lace told the commission. “He is here with us today at our reference table. If you desire to see him, let us know.””

To the credit of Arkansas Attorney General Charlie Daniels (no not THAT Charlie Daniels, at least we don’t think), rather than make a decision about the request, he decided to appoint a committee to figure out just what kinds of things are appropriate to place on the capitol
http://www.feministpeacenetwork.org/2007/09/22/saturday-special-only-in-arkansas/
 
Smart. Very smart. They already have the support of my evengelical stepfather and his family. I can't see how speaking would hurt.

It's why it ticks me off when R candidates fail to even show for a venue with minorities that are unlikely to vote for them.

I don't want these guys in my party, because then we have to pander to them, and I might have to get a fetus in a box.
 
"If the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate the pro-choice Giuliani, that will give the Democratic Party license to hunt for evangelical votes,"

The Dems will ALWAYS be pro choice.

In order for a real shift to take place, Evangelicals have to change their priorities somewhat. Personally, I think they'd have an interest in promoting peace over unnecessary war, saving the planet over promoting corporate interests & helping the poor. There have been some religious leaders who are starting to talk about these issues over the usual abortion/gay marriage fire & brimstone crowd, which is heartening...
 
"If the Republicans are foolish enough to nominate the pro-choice Giuliani, that will give the Democratic Party license to hunt for evangelical votes,"

The Dems will ALWAYS be pro choice.

In order for a real shift to take place, Evangelicals have to change their priorities somewhat. Personally, I think they'd have an interest in promoting peace over unnecessary war, saving the planet over promoting corporate interests & helping the poor. There have been some religious leaders who are starting to talk about these issues over the usual abortion/gay marriage fire & brimstone crowd, which is heartening...

All of my silliness aside, I think that is the implication. If the Republicans were to nominate a pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate (and we all know that's what Rudy is), then the religious right either stays home, or says, well, all things being equal on that front, what else do I care about? And then, economic fairness might come into play. The environment. Stupid stuff like that.

Maybe...
 
I see no harm in courting evangelicals. They have the same working class issues, as other working americans.

As for their devotion and fealty to keeping their neighbor's teenage daughter from getting an abortion, and despite all the rhetoric, a lot of it is hot air and phony outrage. Sure, there are some die hard abortion clinic bombers. But, as darla pointed out, these people are willing to vote for guilliani. In other words, they are flexible.

And besides all their hot air about how life begins at conception, and that abortion is the same as murder, we know how deep these alleged principles really run: I think not one single pro-life protester, would run into a burning abortion clinic to save some blastocysts.
 
All of my silliness aside, I think that is the implication. If the Republicans were to nominate a pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate (and we all know that's what Rudy is), then the religious right either stays home, or says, well, all things being equal on that front, what else do I care about? And then, economic fairness might come into play. The environment. Stupid stuff like that.

Maybe...

Personally, I would love to see the evangelicals get left out in the cold for a few election cycles. 2 pro-choice candidates who don't pander to them at all would be a just reward for their role in giving us 8 disastrous years...
 
Its time to bring this debate down to an infantile level:

Ha ha!

Republicans are going to loose.
 
I could pretty easily make a New Testament-based argument that the Clinton admin was FAR more Christian than the Bush years...
 
Personally, I would love to see the evangelicals get left out in the cold for a few election cycles. 2 pro-choice candidates who don't pander to them at all would be a just reward for their role in giving us 8 disastrous years...

That does make me smile.
 
I see no harm in courting evangelicals. They have the same working class issues, as other working americans.

As for their devotion and fealty to keeping their neighbor's teenage daughter from getting an abortion, and despite all the rhetoric, a lot of it is hot air and phony outrage. Sure, there are some die hard abortion clinic bombers. But, as darla pointed out, these people are willing to vote for guilliani. In other words, they are flexible.

And besides all their hot air about how life begins at conception, and that abortion is the same as murder, we know how deep these alleged principles really run: I think not one single pro-life protester, would run into a burning abortion clinic to save some blastocysts.


Life does begin at conception. Check the science, dipshit.
 
I see no harm in courting evangelicals. They have the same working class issues, as other working americans.

As for their devotion and fealty to keeping their neighbor's teenage daughter from getting an abortion, and despite all the rhetoric, a lot of it is hot air and phony outrage. Sure, there are some die hard abortion clinic bombers. But, as darla pointed out, these people are willing to vote for guilliani. In other words, they are flexible.

And besides all their hot air about how life begins at conception, and that abortion is the same as murder, we know how deep these alleged principles really run: I think not one single pro-life protester, would run into a burning abortion clinic to save some blastocysts.

Plus, porn sells in the bible belt. Which means there's some masturbation going on. And that's against the bible! No touching yourself even if you do have soft skin, sorry! Or, in other words, Heeeee's MARRIED.
 
Life begins when you aribtrarily decide it exists. No point is really more essential than any other in deciding where life begins.

And Democrats... please please please take the fucking evangelicals and their theocratic statism with you.

Maybe the Republican Party could become a libertarian party.
 
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