Uh, you didn't connect that dot AT ALL.
I don't care if he had Betty White's severed head in his hand when cops showed up, police in this country CANNOT be allowed to choke defenseless people for 8 minutes until they die.
DEms/Lefties please answer this - you keep dodging it..
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Uh, you didn't connect that dot AT ALL.
I don't care if he had Betty White's severed head in his hand when cops showed up, police in this country CANNOT be allowed to choke defenseless people for 8 minutes until they die.
Judging by your insane rants, I suspect you've got more drugs in your system right now than Floyd ever did.
10 children killed by BLM? Fuck outta here, liar.
His story is a lie.
jet57
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Doing good, Remember Me from elsewhere?
I do: we didn't get along too well as I recall. I could be wrong, it's been a while.
jet57
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Oh I'm sure it is. I like to make sure that such stories are lies and the posters who plant them.
Because they were told to.
AProudLefty
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Yes. The magical unicorns told us to.
And Floyd's character and past record are irrelevant to his treatment during his arrest.
Let's start anew, Deal?
EXACTLY.
It is relevant to his horrible behaviour on the day that he died.
jet57
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Sure. Got a thread going?
T. A. Gardner
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Except he wasn't choking. If you can say "I can't breathe" you are breathing by definition. It takes breath to talk. You cannot speak if you are choking. Look it up if you don't believe me. That is a scientific fact.
Worse, Floyd complained of being unable to breathe well before he was put on the ground, and we now know he had roughly three times the dose of fentanyl in his system to cause a lethal overdose. One of the symptoms of such an overdose is an increasing inability to breathe.
Now, toss in that Floyd lied to the cops when asked if he was on anything (well before he was put on the ground in that hold and on video from several of the officer's body cams along with bystander testimony) and said he wasn't. That meant the officers might have suspected he was high but had no verifiable proof of that at the time due to Floyd's lie. Had they known he was on fen fen they might have acted differently.
So, the facts have Floyd with several serious medical conditions, high on fentanyl and possibly meth as well, in an overdose condition that the officers aren't fully or even close to fully aware of because of Floyd's own lies to them, attempting to arrest and subdue an increasingly panicked and resisting suspect.
There are two sides to this story, and as all the facts come out, it's looking worse and worse for the prosecution. This isn't to defend officer Chaven in the least. I think his use of a knee hold was totally inappropriate and unnecessary, but it doesn't amount to murder either. Floyd likely did himself in by his improper use of illicit drugs, particularly one as lethal as fentanyl.
Geeko Sportivo
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Here is what retards like you don't understand- THERE IS NOT AN INNOCENT VICTIM IN ANY JAIL OR PRISON IN AMERICA- BUT NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO GO INTO THEIR CELL AND KILL THEM AT WILL- JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MODEL CITIZENS- unless they want to be charged with MURDER!
May we just call you YACK FOR SHORT? Because all you ever do is Yack! Yack! Yack!- And never say ANYTHING meaningful or intelligent!
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My thread has not mentioned the trial or the cop arresting/restraining him.
Please address the thread which is specifically to do with Dems /lefties adoring the criminal thug yet never having anything to say about the BLACK people he menaced and threatened to kill to get his way.
I also did emphasise that it is a simple question dodged by the dems and lefties and here you are completely dodging the issue.
Lets put like this: I support Mr Trump - my political allegiance is not fixed in concrete. If you asked me what I think to George Bush - a Republican president - I will tell you he is a rotten vile man - because of the people his bombing killed through lies and manipulation to go to war. I will not blindly support him. Dems blindly support Obama despite the multi thousands he killed for the same reason as Bush. You Dems/lefties will support Obama because of some perverse love for the black example he is supposed to have set.
I dont support any person who can abuse power to kill except in direct self-defence. That person can be a thug citizen - Floyd -r have the status of president.
I ad: President Mr Trump sought peace and stopped wars. I suppose this does not matter to Dems and lefties.
DO YOU WISH - to address my thread? Which is not about how he was killed. In fact I have not mentioned his name.
Legally you are right. It looks bad for the prosecution. The law is clear: If the person would have died in any case - regardless of what the "specialist" (trained cop) then it is not murder. Also, if he was to die no matter what the cop did it is not murder. In this regard there is no Mens Rea nor Actus Reas. The cop struggled with a recalcitrant criminal known for his violence, he refused to cooperate on being arrested for an offence (so not false arrest). If Fentenol caused his death and he would have died say, just walking home from that shop -this will be the crux of the case.Except he wasn't choking. If you can say "I can't breathe" you are breathing by definition. It takes breath to talk. You cannot speak if you are choking. Look it up if you don't believe me. That is a scientific fact.
Worse, Floyd complained of being unable to breathe well before he was put on the ground, and we now know he had roughly three times the dose of fentanyl in his system to cause a lethal overdose. One of the symptoms of such an overdose is an increasing inability to breathe.
Now, toss in that Floyd lied to the cops when asked if he was on anything (well before he was put on the ground in that hold and on video from several of the officer's body cams along with bystander testimony) and said he wasn't. That meant the officers might have suspected he was high but had no verifiable proof of that at the time due to Floyd's lie. Had they known he was on fen fen they might have acted differently.
So, the facts have Floyd with several serious medical conditions, high on fentanyl and possibly meth as well, in an overdose condition that the officers aren't fully or even close to fully aware of because of Floyd's own lies to them, attempting to arrest and subdue an increasingly panicked and resisting suspect.
There are two sides to this story, and as all the facts come out, it's looking worse and worse for the prosecution. This isn't to defend officer Chaven in the least. I think his use of a knee hold was totally inappropriate and unnecessary, but it doesn't amount to murder either. Floyd likely did himself in by his improper use of illicit drugs, particularly one as lethal as fentanyl.
This will mean the charge as set is too high a level for a certain finding of guilt. The cop was probably guilty of a failure in his duty of care purely on the basis (in UK law) it is an offence for a cop to keep a person face down (chest can not expand for breathing) when under restraint, especially when clearly the guy was handcuffed. BUT >>>> If Floyed or the criminal was a threat - SPITTING in the face of the officers - he can be held face down. But the onus is upon the officer to lift him up at the first safe opportunity.
Unlike many DEms and lefties I am not blinded by the fact the dead man is black and the man charged is a cop. I want a fair trial.
But here is the rub: For many weeks from Floyds death the part where he was impaired bhy taking Fentanol and his NOT COOPERTAING with the arrest and in fact resisted - was not shown to us. When it was shown NO ONE especially the BLM changed their rotten vile nasty attitude against the cop or their LOVE for the criminal thug Floyd.
(1) What would you do if you were the cop arresting this know menacing violent very big man, Who without doubt committed a crime or the cop was correct to arrest him under clear suspicion a crime was committed?
(2) What would you think of the man - a big menacing threatening man, inside YOUR home who shoved a loaded gun into your visibly pregnant daughter/wife and told her he is going to KILL HER AND THE BABY IN HER BELLY <<<< !!!! Would you adore him? would call him a "SAINT" would you riot in the streets in support of this guy???
(3) How would you rect if the guy was white and the cop was black? I know for a fact the MSM would not report it.so do you????
(4) Would you change your opinion from "cold killing, murdering bully boy cop" after you saw the additional recordings of Floyd resisting arrest, non compliance, and the report he was on Fentaynol. ???
Just to be straight and clear: I, for one, have never, ever supported the killing of a person caused by a cop out of control or abusing his power. I never support such behaviour whether he is a cop or not or regardless of colour of the people involved.
My use of physical restraint is set upon the simple doctrine of COMPLIANCE THROUGH PAIN - this is a set, lawful trained procedure because PAIN does not last long and the person recovers, gets over it. However they are judged to be a party to such pain by their act of non compliance or their behaviour / threat to others.
A senior rank/supervisor is required to control the incident (I have done this many times and I am accountable in a court case if I do not stop officers over using physical control especially FACE DOWN pressure depleting breathing).
A man who is handcuffed (behind his back) may seem to be a non threat, in most cases 99% they are not a real threat, but there are cases when the offender SPITS in the face of the cops, in this regard the cop has the right to put that offenders face down on the ground... he could have Aids or Hepatitis -- many druggy criminals have something in their saliva.
(2) What would you think of the man - a big menacing threatening man, inside YOUR home who shoved a loaded gun into your visibly pregnant daughter/wife and told her he is going to KILL HER AND THE BABY IN HER BELLY <<<< !!!! Would you adore him? would call him a "SAINT" would you riot in the streets in support of this guy???
(3) How would you rect if the guy was white and the cop was black? I know for a fact the MSM would not report it.so do you????
(4) Would you change your opinion from "cold killing, murdering bully boy cop" after you saw the additional recordings of Floyd resisting arrest, non compliance, and the report he was on Fentaynol. ???
Just to be straight and clear: I, for one, have never, ever supported the killing of a person caused by a cop out of control or abusing his power. I never support such behaviour whether he is a cop or not or regardless of colour of the people involved.
My use of physical restraint is set upon the simple doctrine of COMPLIANCE THROUGH PAIN - this is a set, lawful trained procedure because PAIN does not last long and the person recovers, gets over it. However they are judged to be a party to such pain by their act of non compliance or their behaviour / threat to others.
A senior rank/supervisor is required to control the incident (I have done this many times and I am accountable in a court case if I do not stop officers over using physical control especially FACE DOWN pressure depleting breathing).
A man who is handcuffed (behind his back) may seem to be a non threat, in most cases 99% they are not a real threat, but there are cases when the offender SPITS in the face of the cops, in this regard the cop has the right to put that offenders face down on the ground... he could have Aids or Hepatitis -- many druggy criminals have something in their saliva.
One thing that you can bet on is that most posts from the right wingers on this site are lies.
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Hoosier Daddy
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they cannot even watch a video without lying about it!! good god. they say he was bad a few years ago, so who cares...or they claim he was being belligerent, when we see he was not, they say he is big and the cop felt threatened, but there were 4 fucking cops there, he was handcuffed face down on the concrete!!
they are all racist assholes who if it was some white supremacist being choked slowly to death by a big ass black cop, would be crying the cop has not been executed yet.
they are all racist assholes who if it was some white supremacist being choked slowly to death by a big ass black cop, would be crying the cop has not been executed yet.