did obama actually show bipartisanship or compromise?

Would you prefer that I not post on the board anymore?

It seems to have really irritated you lately. I can't promise anything, unfortunately.
 
Onceler said:
Dixie, you once said abortion doctors should be stoned to death, and that homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality.

You're way out there on the right. You don't like to be seen as an extremist, so you try to say things like "I'm a centrist," or "I'm a spiritualist," but you have posted a lot of words on this board, and you can't escape them.
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As I said in the preceding post, you will misconstrue things I've said to portray me as something I am not, and what did you immediately do? Damn, I am pretty good at predicting!

To illustrate the point I was trying to make at the time, in the context of the conversation I was having, I did say that "if it was up to me, we would stone abortionists to death" but the context of that statement is very important, I did not mean or intend it literally as my personal view. It was intended to make the point that none of us are Kings, we don't get to decide how the rest of our subjects live in America, we have to collectively decide these issues, and we may not always get what we want. In retrospect, I should have posted that "PERHAPS, if it were up to some, we would stone people to death" but that would have been confusing to the point I was trying to convey at the time, and I chose the wording I chose. I have repeatedly clarified my remarks for the pathetically stupid, but apparently it did no good to go to the trouble, you assume I meant something literally, that wasn't intended to be taken as such. On homosexuality, all I have ever said is that it's a sexual deviancy. That is not meant to be an insult, just a fact of logistics. A very small percentage of humans engage in the act, it is abnormal human behavior, it deviates from the norm in humans. In that regard, it is indeed similar to bestiality, that's not "right wing" or "left wing" it's just acknowledging the facts.
 
Bottom line: all the meeting did was just rehash all the partisan arguments that's been flying around. Little to nothing got "done", but there is a cagey ploy to this: the GOP is now on the public record of NOT bringing anything to the table but knee jerk criticism and talking points....and DENIAL as to how MANY of their offerings were included in the current drafts and proposed bills. This will mean NOTHING if the Dems DO NOT coalesce to form a solid proposal that can be pushed through. Reconciliation was used by the Shrub and company....what's good for the goose, etc., etc.

What I find amazing is the use of the words "cocky", "arrogant", like the FAIRLY AND DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA is some sort of high school freshman wanting to be senior prom king. Yeah, who does he think he i?!?! (Pssst...neocons, he's the PRESIDENT).

After 8 years of an inarticulate poseur who's string of failures exceeds what little "achievements he's made, why is a man suddenly "arrogant" and "cocky" because he is acting like a man in charge of the office he's elected to? Bottom line: despite his capitulations and bending over backwards to compromise, he's not going to take a BS attitude of disrepect of the office in any shape, form or fashion...TFB if neocons can't accept him.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah, when he was explaining how he hadn't given even close to even time to hear ideas. They've spent the last three weeks behind closed doors and their arguments stank. Obama was pWned by Ryan.
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There was more than enough interruptions and short changing and picayune antics on both sides of the aisle.....this, IMHO, was nothing more than just posturing for the cameras, a set up for things to come.

As for Ryan....are you joking? Ryan is nothing more than an insurance company hack mouthing mantras and slogans.
 
Pale Rider said:
What I saw was obama sitting there with his head cocked back looking down his nose with a condescending grin on his big, purple lips as republicans tried to talk some sense into his arrogant, narcissistic, black ass.

I never did like this little shit from Kenya, but this display today completely solidified my disdain for him. He's no more Presidential than that greasy, fat ass, turd Mickey Moore.
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Nice to see the Bob Jones University is still requiring Bible based ethics in their curriculum. :palm:
 
Ice Dancer said:
Can someone answer me why Congress is unwilling to make insurance portable; enact tort reform; regulate pre-existing conditions clauses; create a fund for the truly indigent; and tighten up all those leaky medicare drains?

If they had done this a year ago we'd know, at least in part, how it might work. These fixes require little to no new taxation and would easilly be acceptable to the majority of Americans.
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Insurance companies already enjoy exemption from anti-trust laws, making them "portable" would give full monopoly status to the larger companies. Insurance companies fight agains regulation of pre-existing clauses. Why create a "fund" for the indigent instead of forming a single payer option? As for medicare, the "leaks" could be fixed, but you have GOP opposition to that, they just want to throw out the bathwater and the baby.
 
Originally Posted by HUGO STIGLITZ
This is the true soul of the conservative movement: racism. This is why we need to round up all conservatives and pop a cap in their worthless heads. Conservatives are negative humanity.
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Pale Rider said:
obama acted like a NIGGER yesterday, not a PRESIDENT, and I call it like I see it.

Now if you think you got the balls to start shooting people because they don't like your fucking, nigger messiah, go for it. I got something waiting for you too mother fucker.
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Carefull bunky, your sheet is showing!
 
Taichiliberal said:
Bottom line: all the meeting did was just rehash all the partisan arguments that's been flying around. Little to nothing got "done", but there is a cagey ploy to this: the GOP is now on the public record of NOT bringing anything to the table but knee jerk criticism and talking points....and DENIAL as to how MANY of their offerings were included in the current drafts and proposed bills. This will mean NOTHING if the Dems DO NOT coalesce to form a solid proposal that can be pushed through. Reconciliation was used by the Shrub and company....what's good for the goose, etc., etc.

What I find amazing is the use of the words "cocky", "arrogant", like the FAIRLY AND DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA is some sort of high school freshman wanting to be senior prom king. Yeah, who does he think he i?!?! (Pssst...neocons, he's the PRESIDENT).

After 8 years of an inarticulate poseur who's string of failures exceeds what little "achievements he's made, why is a man suddenly "arrogant" and "cocky" because he is acting like a man in charge of the office he's elected to? Bottom line: despite his capitulations and bending over backwards to compromise, he's not going to take a BS attitude of disrepect of the office in any shape, form or fashion...TFB if neocons can't accept him.
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1.) Republicans were the only ones at the meeting to present ideas.

2.) Reconciliation will be political suicide if Dems use it here.

3.) George W. Bush is no longer the President.

4.) George W. Bush doesn't hold public office anymore.

5.) George W. Bush is not the President.
 
Onceler said:
How can you claim to think objectively about it? You are a hater, through & through.

When you don't like someone or their policies, it colors everything you see about them. Obama could help a little ol' lady across the street and you'd see it as "condescending."
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Nope, not hate, more like a huge disappointment in him.
 
INFINATETELEMORESE said:
someone give 3d his meds

btw damo, i think 100k of your rep is from me O_O (it was around christmas where everyone that posted in a thread got 100k points, then that was expanded out to anyone that was online in a 24 hour period...

no one is left untouched by grind O____O
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LOL.
 
Onceler said:
And what did Republicans do under Bush?

Pass bills that thought were unimportant?

You say the weirdest things, sometimes.
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LOL. Seriously? This is what you have to defend this? You have got to be kidding me.

One more Democrat that thinks its okay to do just like Bush did. We'll just add it to our list, and now I'll explain the parts that you missed.

Did you even try to follow the conversation? The Democrats are HAVING PROBLEMS passing the crap they thought was important, even though they had a supermajority in both houses. Then you step in and say this?

Instead of taking responsibility for their issues, they've taken to trying to say that the group who couldn't even filibuster without their consent is at fault and totally ignoring what their own constituency says about bills.

Catch up and quit being silly.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Bottom line: all the meeting did was just rehash all the partisan arguments that's been flying around. Little to nothing got "done", but there is a cagey ploy to this: the GOP is now on the public record of NOT bringing anything to the table but knee jerk criticism and talking points....and DENIAL as to how MANY of their offerings were included in the current drafts and proposed bills. This will mean NOTHING if the Dems DO NOT coalesce to form a solid proposal that can be pushed through. Reconciliation was used by the Shrub and company....what's good for the goose, etc., etc.

What I find amazing is the use of the words "cocky", "arrogant", like the FAIRLY AND DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA is some sort of high school freshman wanting to be senior prom king. Yeah, who does he think he i?!?! (Pssst...neocons, he's the PRESIDENT).

After 8 years of an inarticulate poseur who's string of failures exceeds what little "achievements he's made, why is a man suddenly "arrogant" and "cocky" because he is acting like a man in charge of the office he's elected to? Bottom line: despite his capitulations and bending over backwards to compromise, he's not going to take a BS attitude of disrepect of the office in any shape, form or fashion...TFB if neocons can't accept him.
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Dixie said:
1.) Republicans were the only ones at the meeting to present ideas. No, they just regurgitated the same old mantras and talking points we've heard for the last year....as the Dems pointed out, several proposals of theirs was incorporated into the current bills that the GOP is stone walling against.

2.) Reconciliation will be political suicide if Dems use it here. Says who, the GOP? Newsflash for ya bunky, it was successful when the Shrub used it, so for the GOP to whine like hypocritical pigs now won't look good to the public despite the Faux News noise machine.
3.) George W. Bush is no longer the President. Right, and you're saying that all the actions and policies put forth by his administration magically disappeared in 2008? Or that all was well as a result and Obama inherited a paradise?
4.) George W. Bush doesn't hold public office anymore. Yep, and you're saying that his dismal public performance should NOT be taken into consideration when neocon parrots and other bitter, resentful jokers start wailing that Obama is "arrogant"?

5.) George W. Bush is not the President.
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Tell that to Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich, tell that to the GOP'ers that survived the 2008 elections.

Bottom line: Weiner called out the Party of No for what they're doing regarding true health care reform....and you don't like it. TFB.
 
Originally Posted by Onceler
How can you claim to think objectively about it? You are a hater, through & through.

When you don't like someone or their policies, it colors everything you see about them. Obama could help a little ol' lady across the street and you'd see it as "condescending."
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TuTu Monroe said:
Nope, not hate, more like a huge disappointment in him.
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Another fantastic lie from Tutu Blabba, as she has categorically been against Obama from the day he announced he was running for President, and has faithfully regurgitated every talking point, mantra and diatribe spewed by the neocon punditry you can imagine.

Case in point, she has yet to explain how the President is "arrogant".
 
Damocles said:
LOL. Seriously? This is what you have to defend this? You have got to be kidding me.

One more Democrat that thinks its okay to do just like Bush did. We'll just add it to our list, and now I'll explain the parts that you missed.

Did you even try to follow the conversation? The Democrats are HAVING PROBLEMS passing the crap they thought was important, even though they had a supermajority in both houses. Then you step in and say this?

Instead of taking responsibility for their issues, they've taken to trying to say that the group who couldn't even filibuster without their consent is at fault and totally ignoring what their own constituency says about bills.

Catch up and quit being silly.
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You forget that the "problems" were adhering to the fallacy of the "60 vote" requirement....it really only takes 51. All legal and above board.

They are taking responsibility, by taking measures to nullify such POS wedges as Liberman, and Dixiecrat/blue dog Dems. And they're doing it WITHOUT a Dem version of Tom Delay, or Ashcroft or Lott or Gingrich.
 
Taichiliberal said:
You forget that the "problems" were adhering to the fallacy of the "60 vote" requirement....it really only takes 51. All legal and above board.

They are taking responsibility, by taking measures to nullify such POS wedges as Liberman, and Dixiecrat/blue dog Dems. And they're doing it WITHOUT a Dem version of Tom Delay, or Ashcroft or Lott or Gingrich.
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LOL. That isn't what Obama and Reid said in 2005.

Right, because Obama is totally incapable. :rolleyes:

All you offer are excuses for your own ineffectiveness. The Rs can't even filibuster without your party's consent (well they can now, if they get Brown to agree).

The reality is, there really is no way you can blame it on the Rs without just sounding weak and ineffective.
 
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