Didnt pay for firefighting service: house burns!

Onceler said:
That's a pretty clinical way to look at it. If someone on a beach or in a plane is choking or has a medical emergency, and there is a doctor around, that doctor usually helps out, and doesn't wait to see if that person has insurance or can pay or has paid.

I can't really make sense of qualified people sitting there watching while someone's house goes down in flames. And didn't a neighboring house catch fire because of that?

What you're arguing makes sense at a certain level - certainly as a strict interpretation of the policy they had in the area - but on a basic level of humanitarianism, it's just weird, callous and unsettling (at best).
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That is exactly what I was saying earlier...TECHNICALLY what they did may have been right, but it brings home the point that when the very people charged with putting out fires come to a fire and just stand there while the place burns because the owner hasn't paid some "fee", then basic human kindness has gone the way of the Dodo.
 
Yurt said:
lol...still whining about neg reps...if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't ever ""comment"" on them, they clearly bother you and that makes me smile

you lied, its all you've done, you run around throwing out the term strawman, false analogy, yet you never actually discuss anything

boring
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So this post then proves you DO care about neg rep...because there you are, commenting on them...LOL
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That is exactly what I was saying earlier...TECHNICALLY what they did may have been right, but it brings home the point that when the very people charged with putting out fires come to a fire and just stand there while the place burns because the owner hasn't paid some "fee", then basic human kindness has gone the way of the Dodo.
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In this economy, you do your job and you follow policy. Especially in a little podunk out of the way place like this was. Again, stop blaming the fire department for following their bosses policy and rules.
 
RStringfield said:
And by not paying for the service and taking a free ride, the fire fighters have less funding available for equipment, which increases their risks. But they are supposed to care about this assholes house, rush in and risk their lives when he did not care enough to pay a measly $75. Again, fuck him!

A stiff fine would probably be a better policy, but it's still his own damn fault.
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I am sorry man but that is cold!

The firefighters were already there...that they just stood by when they could have saved another human being's place of shelter over a measly $75 bucks is truly sad.

This incident marks the beginning, where we start to peel back the shiny, happy veneer of lies and phony compassion so many Americans use as a front and expose the average American for what he is...nothing but a self-centered opportunist who wouldn't give two rat farts for his neighbor's plight unless there's something in it for him personally.
 
Ice Dancer said:
A few years prior to this event the fire department would not even have shown up as the neighbor was not covered either; no one outside of the city was. The fact that they may want to revisit their government policy to consider this kind of circumstance to say- offer a fine in such an event is still an option.
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If the home is outside the district, then the fire department wouldn't show up at all. True. It seems that they contracted with the city department for coverage. We would show up to "assist" in an area with no coverage, but they would be charged for the service. If, say, a nearby fire district calls for our assistance because they don't have enough coverage, we'd charge the district. If they are uncovered at all, we'd charge the owner of the house.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
In this economy, you do your job and you follow policy. Especially in a little podunk out of the way place like this was. Again, stop blaming the fire department for following their bosses policy and rules.
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I blame the firefighters for being good little automaton drones who stood by placidly and watched another human being's domicile burn to the ground while they had the means to save it rather than do what their herat told thema dn save that man's house.

I wonder how many of those firefighters are self proclaimed "Christians"?
 
The firefighters were just obeying the rules...
The county makes the rules...

It was the home owner who didn't follow the rules...

And yet we got a bunch of idiots on here blaming the firefighters...

Its a private service, the homeowner DIDNT pay for it, so it was wasn't offered.

TOUGH LUCK!

CK
 
CanadianKid said:
The firefighters were just obeying the rules...
The county makes the rules...

It was the home owner who didn't follow the rules...

And yet we got a bunch of idiots on here blaming the firefighters...

Its a private service, the homeowner DIDNT pay for it, so it was wasn't offered.

TOUGH LUCK!

CK
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It's not a private service. It's a public service that offers unincorporated areas a choice to pay an anual fee for service.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I am sorry man but that is cold!

The firefighters were already there...that they just stood by when they could have saved another human being's place of shelter over a measly $75 bucks is truly sad.

This incident marks the beginning, where we start to peel back the shiny, happy veneer of lies and phony compassion so many Americans use as a front and expose the average American for what he is...nothing but a self-centered opportunist who wouldn't give two rat farts for his neighbor's plight unless there's something in it for him personally.
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Why should they risk their lives for nothing? How is it compassionate to demand that they do so in order to save his house. Fuck his house. Human lives are more important than a house!

With enough free riders either the cost to those who do pay either becomes prohibitive or the quality of the service must suffer. If that happens then all property and, more importantly, people are put at risk in order to protect this box of sticks belonging to some prick that could not bothered to chip in. The other option is to tax non property owners (see poorer people) to protect the interest of property owners (see wealthier people). I really don't see how either of those are more compassionate.

Again, I think it would probably be wiser to at least allow him to agree to pay a stiff penalty for the service, than to let the home to needlessly burn. But, it is still his fault. He chose to assume the risk while you are demanding that he be permitted to jeopardize everyone else.
 
Damocles said:
If the home is outside the district, then the fire department wouldn't show up at all. True. It seems that they contracted with the city department for coverage. We would show up to "assist" in an area with no coverage, but they would be charged for the service. If, say, a nearby fire district calls for our assistance because they don't have enough coverage, we'd charge the district. If they are uncovered at all, we'd charge the owner of the house.
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Apparently from what I have read, the city faced a similar situation prior to offering service to unincorporated areas. They changed their service coverage to the unincorporated area where this home was for a fee of 75.00 per year; the guy did not pay it and so the fire fighters were bound by policy to only protect the neighbors dwelling who was paid up.

There are two glaring realities to this story. 1. The home owner was negligent in his not paying the fee. 2. The city ought to have a back-up plan that would allow fire fighters to fight the fire and levy a fine or some such flexability.

This does not prove that private fire fighting would always result in a situation like this (since this a publicly funded department and no one has asked for private fire protection) It does prove that government policies can be retarded.
 
Darla said:
Yurt negative repped me because I LOL'd at Onceler's post. HE even wrote "LOL" on it. WTF?

Wow, he really hates Onceler. That's weird.
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what a whiner....too funny how you don't mention your sexually perverted neg rep to me before i neg repped you

still the same ol' snarla....you and onceler should get a room so the board doesn't have to listen to you two whine about neg reps
 
CanadianKid said:
The firefighters were just obeying the rules...
The county makes the rules...

It was the home owner who didn't follow the rules...

And yet we got a bunch of idiots on here blaming the firefighters...

Its a private service, the homeowner DIDNT pay for it, so it was wasn't offered.

TOUGH LUCK!

CK
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He did follow the rules. And got exactly that for which he paid.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I blame the firefighters for being good little automaton drones who stood by placidly and watched another human being's domicile burn to the ground while they had the means to save it rather than do what their herat told thema dn save that man's house.

I wonder how many of those firefighters are self proclaimed "Christians"?
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someone just had to bash christians in this thread

:palm:
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I am sorry man but that is cold!

The firefighters were already there...that they just stood by when they could have saved another human being's place of shelter over a measly $75 bucks is truly sad.

This incident marks the beginning, where we start to peel back the shiny, happy veneer of lies and phony compassion so many Americans use as a front and expose the average American for what he is...nothing but a self-centered opportunist who wouldn't give two rat farts for his neighbor's plight unless there's something in it for him personally.
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Dude. You expect people to risk their lives to save stuff just because they were there? This has to have some weird associative idea here. That stuff isn't that special, it is the lives that count. If the dude were trapped inside, they'd have gone in there and risked it all for him, but there is no reason to risk their lives for stuff that even he didn't care enough to cover. What a jerk, you expect everybody to go above and beyond for things just because you feel that your stuff is important and associate that same emotive response as you would to life.

You would be one of those people spitting on fire fighters because they deem a property unsalvageable and pull the team expecting people to give their lives to save STUFF.
 
Damocles said:
Dude. You expect people to risk their lives to save stuff just because they were there? This has to have some weird associative idea here. That stuff isn't that special, it is the lives that count. If the dude were trapped inside, they'd have gone in there and risked it all for him, but there is no reason to risk their lives for stuff that even he didn't care enough to cover. What a jerk, you expect everybody to go above and beyond for things just because you feel that your stuff is important.
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And you know this how exactly?

The firefighters couldn't be bothered to risk their lives for someone else's property...what makes you so sure they rush in to save the life of someone who couldn't be bothered to pay for their services?

And yeah...there is SUBSTANTIAL risk associated with standing fifty feet from a fire and spraying it with water. They might get hit by a flying ember and get a blister...those poor, fearful firefighters.
 
CanadianKid said:
This is funny thread.

Myself and Damocles have taken the position that the guy didn't pay the firefighting fee so he shouldn't be whining about it now how his house wasn't saved.

And Ice Dancer and Onceler have decided to take the position that its unfair and uncompassionate that the fire department didnt save the house.

Strange bedfellows indeed.

CK
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WTF are you yammering on about? I have never said word one about how it was not compassionate that the firefihghters didn't save the dwelling! I argued with you because you insited that the department was a private department and not a municiple department (public).
 
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