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[Damocles]

But you didn't want to protect people 15 months ago; you maintained we shouldn't protect people because the virus has a 99% survival rate.

The Damocles of March 2020 would call the Damocles of March 2021 a pussy for getting the vaccine.

Again, link to me ever saying we should not develop or get vaccines. You make the claim, it is up to you to prove it. Link it up. I 100% guarantee that you will not find it, because I never stated it. The reality is, your argument in these threads has been: I would not get a vaccination for that reason, so Damocles wouldn't get a vaccination for that reason. You are incapable of empathy. It is literally beyond your comprehension to see a motivation other than your own.

 

[Underdog]

And I wouldn't take one developed under the Trump Admin.

Trump's Administration had absolutely nothing to do with developing these vaccines.

In fact, the drug companies were already developing them while you and Trump were calling COVID a hoax for three months in 2020, and while you got infected with COVID because you're a filthy pig who doesn't wash his own hands.

All the vaccines we have were developed under the trump administration. yet you want to be first in line, would you still want to be first in line had trump won?

 

[LV426]

Again, link to me ever saying we should not develop or get vaccines.

I'm not talking about the vaccines, I'm talking about the lockdowns and mask mandates, which you are on record opposing this time last year because you said COVID is not serious and has a 99% survival rate.

That's what I'm referring to when I said how you didn't want to protect people 15 months ago, so pretending you're getting a vaccine to protect people today is a load of horseshit.

And you know it, so just stop.

 

[LV426]

Again, link to me ever saying we should not develop or get vaccines. You make the claim, it is up to you to prove it. Link it up. I 100% guarantee that you will not find it, because I never stated it. The reality is, your argument in these threads has been: I would not get a vaccination for that reason, so Damocles wouldn't get a vaccination for that reason. You are incapable of empathy. It is literally beyond your comprehension to see a motivation other than your own.

You're not half as clever as you think you are.

I wasn't referring to you opposing vaccine development to protect people 15 months ago...I was referring to you opposing lockdowns and mask mandates to protect people 15 months ago.

So when you said before that you were only doing it to protect people, we both know that's bullshit because you opposed any efforts to protect people for 15 months.

So just stop. You're not helping yourself when you posture what you think is "empathy" (i.e. protect other people) today, when you lacked that same empathy 15 months ago.

 

[Damocles]

I'm not talking about the vaccines, I'm talking about the lockdowns and mask mandates, which you are on record opposing this time last year because you said COVID is not serious and has a 99% survival rate.

That's what I'm referring to when I said how you didn't want to protect people 15 months ago, so pretending you're getting a vaccine to protect people today is a load of horseshit.

And you know it, so just stop.

We are talking about vaccines. That's the entire conversation. Your question: Why would you get a vaccine to a disease that has a 99% survivability rate?

My answer: Well. You know my answer, you just can't comprehend it.

Your answer to that: I would never get a vaccine for that reason, so you would not either.

My answer: The same, with an additional explanation of how it wouldn't be ethical to do anything different.

Your answer to that: I would never get a vaccine for that reason, so you would not either.

You are a broken record my friend. And as I stated before I feel sorry for your disability.

 

[LV426]

All the vaccines we have were developed under the trump administration

The sun rose and set during the Trump Administration too, so does he deserve credit for that?

yet you want to be first in line, would you still want to be first in line had trump won?

OK...how did Trump develop these vaccines?

How did his Administration develop these vaccines?

Take me through all the government work Trump did to develop vaccines that were already being developed while you and he were calling COVID a hoax?

I would LOVE to see those records.

 

[Underdog]

The sun rose and set during the Trump Administration too, so does he deserve credit for that?




OK...how did Trump develop these vaccines?

How did his Administration develop these vaccines?

Take me through all the government work Trump did to develop vaccines that were already being developed while you and he were calling COVID a hoax?

I would LOVE to see those records.

you and your ilk said they would never take any vaccine that was developed during the trump administration.


No one said trump or his administration were developing it, that's you obfuscating again. So why are you getting the trump era vaccine?

 

[LV426]

We are talking about vaccines.

No. We are talking about protecting people...and for 15 months, you didn't want to protect anyone.

So now you're saying you are getting the vaccine to protect other people, but you are on record opposing any protections for people over the last 15 months.

Why is that?

You are only saying you want to protect people now, that any other justification for getting vaccinated would make you look like a hypocrite.

So you choose to be patronizing instead, but we can't even trust you when you say you're vaccinated because this "empathy" was nowhere to be seen for 15 months...and we have all your posts from the last 15 months that shows that.

 

[LV426]

Why would you get a vaccine to a disease that has a 99% survivability rate?

My answer: Well. You know my answer, you just can't comprehend it.

Right, because it makes no sense and doesn't align with the last 15 months you spent arguing against protecting people from COVID.

So that's why it doesn't make sense.

 

[cordeela]

LOOK - WILL SOMEONE SHOW THE EVIDENCE OF A PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WAS KILLED BY COVID 19 <<<

I know this question threatens the sheepies but please just address such a very simple matter.

Dont feel hurt, its just a question.

 

[LV426]

Your answer to that: I would never get a vaccine for that reason, so you would not either.

When did I say that?

The same, with an additional explanation of how it wouldn't be ethical to do anything different.

It's wholly unethical to lie to me on an anonymous thread.

We know you didn't get vaccinated "to protect people" because you are on record opposing every single action over the last 15 months to "protect people".

You opposed lockdowns, you opposed social distancing, you opposed masks...

Now you have us believe you want to protect people?

Why the fuck should we believe that when you didn't want to protect people for 15 months?

 

[Damocles]

No. We are talking about protecting people...and for 15 months, you didn't want to protect anyone.

So now you're saying you are getting the vaccine to protect other people, but you are on record opposing any protections for people over the last 15 months.

Why is that?

You are only saying you want to protect people now, that any other justification for getting vaccinated would make you look like a hypocrite.

So you choose to be patronizing instead, but we can't even trust you when you say you're vaccinated because this "empathy" was nowhere to be seen for 15 months...and we have all your posts from the last 15 months that shows that.

That is again simply lying about me and my motivations with an added kicker that you really want to believe that the only reason anybody would ever do something is for the same reason you would. My position from the beginning was that we should protect the vulnerable rather than act as if we are all vulnerable.

I want society to get back to normal, to do that I must make you unafraid. I want to protect folks who are actually vulnerable (my position from the beginning was to protect the vulnerable), to do that I get a vaccine. The bonus, it also makes you unafraid and we can lift restrictions and get back to normal. This is the reason I take a vaccine.

I know you will be incapable of comprehending because you have a disability and are incapable of empathy. I want you to stop being afraid so we can get back to normal life.

 

[LV426]

you and your ilk said they would never take any vaccine that was developed during the trump administration.

OK, so I called your bluff, and you folded.

How did Trump and/or his Administration develop these vaccines? You can't say because he didn't.

I would never take a vaccine that Trump developed, so it's a good thing the drug companies developed these vaccines without him.

No one said trump or his administration were developing it

YOU DID when you said "developed during the trump administration."

So did Trump have a hand in these vaccines or no?

He Didn't YOU SAY?!?!?!?

So what point do you think you're scoring here?

 

[LV426]

That is again simply lying about me and my motivations with an added kicker that you really want to believe that the only reason anybody would ever do something is for the same reason you would. My position from the beginning was that we should protect the vulnerable rather than act as if we are all vulnerable.

For 15 months, you didn't want to protect anyone because COVID has a 99% survival rate.

But the moment a vaccine is available, *suddenly* you become all about protecting other people when you weren't for over a year.

So that's why I think your whole vaccination story is BS.

 

[LV426]

I want society to get back to normal, to do that I must make you unafraid

We could have gotten back to normal way faster but you insisted you didn't want to protect people for 15 months.

I want to protect folks who are actually vulnerable

No you don't. If you did, you would have supported a lockdown and mask mandates. But you're on record opposing both.

So that's how I know this is just a bullshit lie.

The bonus, it also makes you unafraid and we can lift restrictions and get back to normal. This is the reason I take a vaccine.

Lies. Nothing here is believable or true, and nothing here aligns with the actions and judgments you made over the last 15 months.

It rings hollow today that you say you get vaccinated "to protect people", but were completely and totally unwilling to protect people for 15 months.

I know you will be incapable of comprehending because you have a disability and are incapable of empathy.

How do you think insincere bullshitting is empathy.

Empathy would have been protecting people from the start, not 15 months later when it became politically convenient to do so.

I know you don't care about protecting other people because you didn't care about protecting them for 15 months.

 

[LV426]

(my position from the beginning was to protect the vulnerable)

Yet, you are on record opposing:

Lockdowns
Mask Mandates
Social Distancing

So for 15 months, you argued that because COVID has a 99% survival rate, we don't need to protect vulnerable people with lockdowns, mask mandates, or social distancing.

After 15 months of failing to convince anyone COVID is not serious enough to justify protecting vulnerable people from it, you now say that it is worth protecting vulnerable people from it.

So where was this concern for vulnerable people the last 15 months? Nowhere.

So there's no reason to think you got vaccinated to protect vulnerable people today...after all, you didn't want to protect vulnerable people by locking down, staying 6ft apart, and/or wearing a mask; so how are we to believe the reason you got a vaccination was to protect vulnerable people, after spending the last 15 months doing and arguing the opposite?

 

[Damocles]

Yet, you are on record opposing:

Lockdowns
Mask Mandates
Social Distancing

So for 15 months, you argued that because COVID has a 99% survival rate, we don't need to protect vulnerable people with lockdowns, mask mandates, or social distancing.

After 15 months of failing to convince anyone COVID is not serious enough to justify protecting vulnerable people from it, you now say that it is worth protecting vulnerable people from it.

So where was this concern for vulnerable people the last 15 months? Nowhere. So there's no reason to think you got vaccinated to protect vulnerable people today...after all, you didn't want to protect vulnerable people by locking down, staying 6ft apart, and/or wearing a mask.

So how are we to believe the reason you got a vaccination was to protect vulnerable people, after spending the last 15 months doing the opposite?

Was I? Or did I say we should protect the vulnerable while not acting like we are all vulnerable? The reality is you have to lie and pretend I said things I did not say, and then you clearly cannot comprehend what I do say because of your lack of empathy.

This whole conversation has been interesting, but repetitive without much forward movement.

I get what you are saying, but when it comes to what I said and why I said it you are simply lying. For 15 months I have stated that we should protect folks that are vulnerable to the disease, and we should not act like everyone is vulnerable. Protecting others is the only motivation that makes sense for a vaccine for this disease. Well that and to make it so you (plural you, meaning folks that are afraid like you) are no longer afraid so we can stop acting like we are all vulnerable and get back to normal.

 

[LV426]

Or did I say we should protect the vulnerable while not acting like we are all vulnerable?

The problem is that's not a true statement!

You don't know your personal vulnerability to COVID...that was the point of the lockdowns and masks.

So you didn't and still don't want to take the steps necessary to "protect vulnerable people", because you spent the last 15 months arguing against protecting vulnerable people.

That's why I don't believe you today when you say you get the vaccine for others and because of ambiguous "empathy".

"Empathy" would have meant embracing the lockdowns and mask mandates to protect vulnerable people.

You couldn't be bothered to do that in 2020.

So why am I to believe you got a vaccine for amorphous and ambiguous "empathy" in 2021?

 

[LV426]

The reality is you have to lie and pretend I said things I did not say, and then you clearly cannot comprehend what I do say because of your lack of empathy.

You're misusing the word "empathy" because you don't know what it means.

Empathy for vulnerable people would have entailed supporting lockdowns and mask mandates, which you opposed all year.

The reason you opposed them was because the disease had a 99% survival rate.

So for 15 months, you didn't give a shit about vulnerable people because you are on record opposing lockdowns, masks, and social distancing.

So to say getting a vaccination for something that has a 99% survival rate is empathetic today feels like a hasty cover for the selfishness you exhibited all year.

It's not empathetic to posture empathy; it's just pathetic.

 

[LV426]

This whole conversation has been interesting, but repetitive without much forward movement.

The conversation has been you trying to convince me of your insincerity by ignoring all the shit you said for 15 months.

For 15 months, you didn't give a single shit about vulnerable people.

Only now, that you've been vaccinated, are you saying it was for "vulnerable people".

Yeah.