Do I Have The Right To Leave This Country For Good?

maineman said:
Practically speaking, what's your play? What are you prepared to attempt?
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I don't have a "play."

This is a hypothetical topic about the government putting restraints and restrictions on the bill of rights and the citizens ability to throw away a government that they have decided is no longer subscribing to the constitution and the limits the document places on federal control of the individual either individually or collectively.
 
Celticguy said:
Each of those people have the same requirements individually, no bulk rates. reason could make or break the deal.
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What if by the people leaving forces the people still staying to compete with other people in other countries for what they want from the people who left which means they can no longer control the price on something they're making enormous profits off of?

How do you limit the number of people who can leave at any given time for the same reason by using the constitution? The answer is you can't because of the bill of rights so you have to control and limit their numbers by unconstitutional means.
 
Unicron said:
Ok, let's pose the opposite question. Can the state decide to kick you out for any reason or no reason?
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If I don't like what the state decides, I have the option under the constitution to move to another state of my choosing.

How's that peg pants?
 
Sardonic said:
Lol, exactly!
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The state isn't going to kick me out if I'm obeying the laws. The state isn't going to kick me out if I don't like the laws the state is implementing. The state therefore allows me to relocate to another state if the numerical majority wants something that I don't.

Under your totalatarian socialist system, all the states are uniform and that leaves me with no numerical majority I agree with in any state and me with 0 options.
 
philly rabbit said:
Under your totalatarian socialist system
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philly rabbit said:
What if by the people leaving forces the people still staying to compete with other people in other countries for what they want from the people who left which means they can no longer control the price on something they're making enormous profits off of?

How do you limit the number of people who can leave at any given time for the same reason by using the constitution? The answer is you can't because of the bill of rights so you have to control and limit their numbers by unconstitutional means.
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Implausable scenario. But constitution does not address who gets a passport and who does not.
 
The 12th Man said:
Because they're the only ones stupid enough to try it and unpatriotic enough to desire it. You're not even real Americans - just people who were forced back into your ancestors' covenant at the point of a gun.
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Football boy in the parking lot.

1. I'm not a southerner, I'm a Yankee.

2. I don't have the total numbers but a considerable number of different states have already petitioned for secession and they are all not southern states.
 
so.... would you agree that you would need a majority of the citizenry of any state for the petition to any more valuable than a piece of toilet paper?
 
philly rabbit said:
Football boy in the parking lot.

1. I'm not a southerner, I'm a Yankee.

2. I don't have the total numbers but a considerable number of different states have already petitioned for secession and they are all not southern states.
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I'd like to see that list - perhaps you could link it up.

Also, if you choose to act like a complete moron, then you will be perceived to be southern. Since you have adopted southern politics, you might as well live down there.
 
I should also add that you can't claim to be an American man if you hold sports in such contempt. Of course, you can't claim to be southern, of either gender, if you don't love football.

So, you might as well pack up and leave...
 
maineman said:
so.... would you agree that you would need a majority of the citizenry of any state for the petition to any more valuable than a piece of toilet paper?
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My land is my private property, it doesn't belong to you pal, it belongs to me. When my state leaves the union that guarantees that I can take my private property - my land with me if I go out too. That's one of the important functions of my state being the protection of my private property from federal seizure. If I decide to leave the union on my own and my state decides not to then I must relinquish my private property in order to do so but if I follow my state out of the union then everything I own including my land goes with me.

There are federal institutions situated in my state such as federal buildings and military installations but when my state leaves, those federal institutions have to get out while I maintain my own private property.
 
Unicron said:
That's not what I asked. If the state has the same freedom of association that the individual does, can they force you to leave for any reason or no reason?
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And I answered your question peg pants and my answer is no. As long as I obey the laws of my state under the state and federal constitution my state cannot.

My state IS SUPPOSED to act as my agent - not your agent in protecting my rights of life - liberty - and property. It's not supposed to protect your religious bigotry against white protestants but it's purpose is to guard my individual private property rights against federal seizure.
 
philly rabbit said:
And I answered your question peg pants and my answer is no. As long as I obey the laws of my state under the state and federal constitution my state cannot.

My state IS SUPPOSED to act as my agent - not your agent in protecting my rights of life - liberty - and property. It's not supposed to protect your religious bigotry against white protestants but it's purpose is to guard my individual private property rights against federal seizure.
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Then you concede that the state does NOT have the right to freedom of association. Thank you.
 
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