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No. And it applies to everyone, not just cops.
Do you support pardons for assault on a LEO?
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Dutch Uncle
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No.
Dutch Uncle
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Hater proves he's either a fucking moron or a liar. Maybe both.
Hater, you repeatedly and willfully break the Ten Commandments and Christ's two commandments. You are lying when you claim to be a Christian. John 11:35
The aftermath of the Black Lives Matter protests — where do they stand now?
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- Some protesters are still dealing with the aftermath of their arrests, charged with hefty sentences or the threat of deportation.
Yet, in the first two weeks of protests, police arrested more than 17,000 people in the 50 largest cities that had organized them according to the Washington Post — the largest wave of civil unrest and arrests in the United States since the Vietnam War. Now, the protesters who were arrested this summer are speaking out, many wondering why they were picked up in the first place. The details of those arrests are not available in most cities.
In Minneapolis, the city where Floyd was killed, local police arrested 570 people in the ensuing protests — nearly 90 percent of them from the metro area, with the vast majority being charged with curfew violations. Now, according to city and county prosecutors, all but 44 cases have been dropped.
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Sounds like a Tuesday for your BLM buddies. What’s your point?
It’s a question, do you support a pardon?
I would say no.
Now what if they were convicted of walking around the capital building, not taking anything, not damaging anything, and then leaving, but did this on the wrong day? Do you think they should serve some years in prison or might a pardon or commutation be in order?
1) I do not think anyone in that situation served a single day in prison, do you?
2) If that did happen, pretty sure it did not, I would support a pardon, even though I am sure they knew they were in a building not open to the public.
You should give folks this list and ask them which of them they think should be pardoned....
Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving
Around 64 percent of those who have received sentences in relation to the January 6 uprising have been handed jail time.
www.newsweek.com
Personally I think if it was non-violent and not destructive I'd be okay with a pardon or commutation. I don't think Trump was planning on pardoning anyone who beat on a cop.
Dutch Uncle
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Most of those on the list were accused of assualting police. Despite the lies from the Usual Suspects and other MAGAt sheeple, the BLM protestors who assaulted police were also sent to prison. Should they be pardoned too? No, not IMO.You should give folks this list and ask them which of them they think should be pardoned....
Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving
Around 64 percent of those who have received sentences in relation to the January 6 uprising have been handed jail time.
Personally I think if it was non-violent and not destructive I'd be okay with a pardon or commutation. I don't think Trump was planning on pardoning anyone who beat on a cop.
Not a lawyer, but let's consider the precedent of pardoning people who participate in "seditious conspiracy" and "disrupting an official proceeding" because I'm certain there are a lot of Lefties who would be interested in a free pass for doing exactly the same thing against Trump and his MAGAt Congress. LOL
FWIW, most of those people, like the violent BLM offenders, are already out of prison. The pardon would be to remove a felony from their records. As a reminder, accepting a pardon is an acceptance of guilt and removes their 5th Amendment right to testify in court against others.
Pathetically, they avoid the fact that an attack on the national government is of different dimension of seriousness from a street riot. They merely compare the two in terms of property damage.
He sometimes is very vague about who he’s going to pardon, but he has said in the past all of them. I will look for the article, but I read that the only people currently serving any time were there as a result of a assault on law-enforcement officers.You should give folks this list and ask them which of them they think should be pardoned....
Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving
Around 64 percent of those who have received sentences in relation to the January 6 uprising have been handed jail time.
Personally I think if it was non-violent and not destructive I'd be okay with a pardon or commutation. I don't think Trump was planning on pardoning anyone who beat on a cop.
There is a difference between prison and jail, prison is when you are serving more than a year. At least that’s the definition in Florida.
The percentage that served jail time is not a very useful statistic for me unless it is connected to the crime they were convicted of and their record. I will look at your article.
Dutch Uncle
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Is there any doubt that Trump, just like last time, will violate most, if not all, of his campaign promises within a year or less of being in the WH? Sure, he'll make a few token efforts such as deporting the violent illegals already in prison only to see them come back and free to be drug smugglers and murderers. Once the corporate farms and hotel industry CEOs start bitching, Donnie will stop, declare victory and blame the Democrats for the shortfall.
As a reminder, Pedo Don promised to pardon them all while he was still in office, a claim he'd made several times. Why didn't he? Because the shitty assclown was too busy saving his own ass. Trump threw them all under the bus and the Proud Boys weren't proud of him for it. TBH, I'm surprised they didn't seek their own retribution against Pedo Don and/or Junior.
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Dutch Uncle
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Those convicted of trespassing for walking around the capitol took plea deals. Not a lawyer, but can a person who took a plea deal get a pardon? If so, I'd be fine with pardoning someone who was non-violent, non-destructive and didn't participate in the sedition but simply followed the excitement inside the Capitol to see what was happening.
Yes, pardons are not limited to those convicted of anything, as you can tell, even folks who haven't been charged at all can be pardoned. Imagine receiving a pardon from your father for crimes that "may have been committed" regardless of what they are! Shoot for four hours he was the only person in the world that could traffic children legally in these United States.
Dutch Uncle
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I'm against Biden's pardoning his son for several reasons. You are saying it's okay for Trump, or any other President from now on, to do it because Biden did it. I disagree.
Every time we play this tit-for-tat game in DC, our nation only erodes further.
What if they wore a tutu and danced through the capitol? That is not what happened, and not what a jury found them guilty of. There was evidence showing they were busting up the capitol and attacking the police.
Dutch Uncle
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A good point: Most took plea deals but those who were charged with the most serious crimes went to trial and were convicted by a jury of their peers. They also had a right to the appeals process.
Trump releasing them is wrong.
On an individual case by case basis, I am not against some pardons. There might be some individuals who were treated unfairly. If so, I’m not opposed to a pardon for such people. I know of several cases where individuals who received prison sentences were treated very fairly and deserved what they got. A pardon for such people would be an atrocity.
Battery on law-enforcement officers is a very serious crime, when it’s done in an effort to overturn a presidential election it is even more serious.
You mean on the day that the mob they were a part of tried to prevent the transition of presidential power in the United States?
Dutch Uncle
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I have faith in the justice system but the MAGAts are seeking to undermine that system and weaponize it.
The fact remains, mistakes can be made. That's why we have an appellate system and there are groups that seek to help those unfairly convicted.
Agreed on attacking police. Both those who did the assaulting and those who planned and incited the violence should pay for their crimes.