Do you support pardons for assault on a LEO?

Dutch Uncle said:
I'm against Biden's pardoning his son for several reasons. You are saying it's okay for Trump, or any other President from now on, to do it because Biden did it. I disagree.

Every time we play this tit-for-tat game in DC, our nation only erodes further.
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I'm not saying it is "okay" I am saying that a President's pardoning power is not limited constitutionally, it is only limited by the decency of the human practicing it. In Biden's case he literally pardoned his son so thoroughly, that even if we found out that he had trafficked children during his drug addled (last 14 years) "youth", he'd just be the only person to legally do it.

What I think is "okay" is entirely different than what was done. What will be interesting is if Braindead pardons himself preemptively before slipping away into the night laughing his way to the bank.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not saying it is "okay" I am saying that a President's pardoning power is not limited constitutionally, it is only limited by the decency of the human practicing it. In Biden's case he literally pardoned his son so thoroughly, that even if we found out that he had trafficked children during his drug addled (last 14 years) "youth", he'd just be the only person to legally do it.

What I think is "okay" is entirely different than what was done. What will be interesting is if Braindead pardons himself preemptively before slipping away into the night laughing his way to the bank.
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Again, no disagreement on the legality of Biden's action nor the immorality of his 1) breaking his word and 2) the cronyism/nepotism.

Did you approve of Trump's pardons of his cronies? Stone? Flynn? His father-in-law? Like Biden's action with Hunter, I do not. It's wrong albeit legal.
 
Jarod said:
If the only reason someone was prosecuted was because his father was president, I support the pardon.
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Hunter took tax deductions for prostitutes as company employees. He took deductions for sex clubs. Do you think you could take those deductions and not get prosecuted? And Hunter paid ZERO taxes for some years even though he owed millions. Do you think that he got indicted only because he was a Biden? :laugh:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Again, no disagreement on the legality of Biden's action nor the immorality of his 1) breaking his word and 2) the cronyism/nepotism.

Did you approve of Trump's pardons of his cronies? Stone? Flynn? His father-in-law? Like Biden's action with Hunter, I do not. It's wrong albeit legal.
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How sweeping was the pardon? Was it like Clinton pardoning his brother from federal drug charges? Or did the man serve his time and was pardoned after the fact? (Since it all happened in early 2000s my guess is he served his time in prison and was pardoned after the fact). I know Chris Christie thought it was heinous, but don't really know. Had he pardoned him to keep him from being turned in a deal with prosecutors in order to protect his own butt I'd think it was bad...

Anyway, since the leftists always believe that republicans are doing or will do the same things that they have done I think that the idea of "preemptive pardons" are because they know they abused the justice system to go after political opponents and believe that they are about to do the same thing to them.

He's made it clear he has no time for that BS and his revenge will be a successful term. I will wait and see what happens. If they do preemptive pardons I think it will be a matter of course for every administration from now until we take that power away from them with an Amendment.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not saying it is "okay" I am saying that a President's pardoning power is not limited constitutionally, it is only limited by the decency of the human practicing it. In Biden's case he literally pardoned his son so thoroughly, that even if we found out that he had trafficked children during his drug addled (last 14 years) "youth", he'd just be the only person to legally do it.

What I think is "okay" is entirely different than what was done. What will be interesting is if Braindead pardons himself preemptively before slipping away into the night laughing his way to the bank.
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He could have committed murder of a park ranger in national park and got away with it. He could have robbed Ft. Knox and got away with it.
 
Damocles said:
How sweeping was the pardon? Was it like Clinton pardoning his brother from federal drug charges? Or did the man serve his time and was pardoned after the fact? (Since it all happened in early 2000s my guess is he served his time in prison and was pardoned after the fact). I know Chris Christie thought it was heinous, but don't really know. Had he pardoned him to keep him from being turned in a deal with prosecutors in order to protect his own butt I'd think it was bad...

Anyway, since the leftists always believe that republicans are doing or will do the same things that they have done I think that the idea of "preemptive pardons" are because they know they abused the justice system to go after political opponents and believe that they are about to do the same thing to them.

He's made it clear he has no time for that BS and his revenge will be a successful term. I will wait and see what happens. If they do preemptive pardons I think it will be a matter of course for every administration from now until we take that power away from them with an Amendment.
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I haven't approved of Slick Willie since he looked America in the face and lied by saying "I didn't inhale". He's a scumbag who should never have been President. No, I don't approve of his nepotist use of Presidential pardoning powers either even though, like you, I agree it was legal but immoral.

FUCK THE GODDAMN LEFTISTS AND MAGATS. Their divisiveness is tearing our nation apart in the face of our enemies and you are part of the problem, Damo.
 
ExpressLane said:
He could have committed murder of a park ranger in national park and got away with it. He could have robbed Ft. Knox and got away with it.
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He could have bought meth from you, even cooked it with you, and gotten away with it. Sad and immoral for a President to do, but, as Damo keeps pointing out, legal.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I haven't approved of Slick Willie since he looked America in the face and lied by saying "I didn't inhale". He's a scumbag who should never have been President. No, I don't approve of his nepotist use of Presidential pardoning powers either even though, like you, I agree it was legal but immoral.

FUCK THE GODDAMN LEFTISTS AND MAGATS. Their divisiveness is tearing our nation apart in the face of our enemies and you are part of the problem, Damo.
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I'm not the one pardoning folks. The only ones you think aren't "part of the problem" are folks that are on "your side"...

Personally I think if we are going to get past this we have to reject any and all Cancel Culture and make Tolerance mean Tolerance again.
 
Damocles said:
I'm not the one pardoning folks. The only ones you think aren't "part of the problem" are folks that are on "your side"...

Personally I think if we are going to get past this we have to reject any and all Cancel Culture and make Tolerance mean Tolerance again.
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Me neither. I'm the one against Presidents misusing the powers of their office. You're free to lie about me, Damo. You're free to publicly scold me for admonishing your friends, for following the rules and for creative use of the rules. Heck, you're free to ban me or otherwise drive me off your growing echo chamber.

I have no idea what that means. I do know that our Congress is the problem because no one wants to compromise and push the nation forward even if it's only one inch at a time.
 
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Damocles said:
I'm not saying it is "okay" I am saying that a President's pardoning power is not limited constitutionally, it is only limited by the decency of the human practicing it. In Biden's case he literally pardoned his son so thoroughly, that even if we found out that he had trafficked children during his drug addled (last 14 years) "youth", he'd just be the only person to legally do it.

What I think is "okay" is entirely different than what was done. What will be interesting is if Braindead pardons himself preemptively before slipping away into the night laughing his way to the bank.
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Braindead is being sworn in Jan.20th. Trump is a very stupid man who does what he wants. The law or constitution mean nothing to him. You make up a ridiculous scenario and think it is meaningful. Biden pardoned Hunter because Trump had every intention of torturing him for the next 4 years. Joe did not want to do it, but his love for his only remaining son won in the end.
 
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