Do you Trumppers support US war with Iran ?

[Earl]

and weeks ago our intelligence says it will take years for that to become a bomb

yet somehow it is now super duper imminent?

I'm not saying this time is wrong, I am saying we have been crying wolf for a long, long time

It’s understandable that previous presidents did not want to confront this issue.

The Israelis, for, whom the nukes would be used, are convinced that they would have a nuke in days.

Any country, so confronted, would act proactively, especially a country that has been bombed for decades.

 

[Damocles]

It's not just fissionable material that is a danger.

To make a fissionable bomb, it needs to be enriched to 90%. Only 20% enrichment is necessary for reactors and can be used in a dirty bomb. Iran has uranium enriched to 60%. That might be enough for a fizzle-yield bomb.

Why is Iran producing 60 per cent-enriched uranium?

On 13 April, Iran announced its intention to enrich uranium to 60 per cent U-235. This was characterized by Iran as a response to a sabotage of its vast underground enrichment cascades at Natanz two days before.

www.sipri.org

Fizzle (nuclear explosion) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The issue isn't whether it is weapons grade as you can make one that is larger and bulkier with 20% enriched uranium... They would have to take it there and drop it off then leave and set it off as 20% would be a massively large weapon, 60% would be smaller than that but still much larger than the weapon with 90% enrichment and would have to have a backwater gun-type trigger, like "Little Boy" dropped on Nagasaki (though that was 80% Enriched).

The bulkier device would have delivery issues and would not be as efficient, but it would not be impossible nor would it be guaranteed to be fizzled... the gun-type fission is also less efficient and would produce a less "explosive" action, but not necessarily "fizzled".

Plutonium is created in Reactors and does not need to be enriched to be weapons grade, it is separated by chemicals, at least one of Iran's nuclear reactors does produce plutonium, which could then be separated and made into a weapon as well. The second nuclear device we dropped in Japan (Fat Man) used just 6.2 kg of Plutonium as opposed to the 64kg of uranium in the one dropped on Hiroshima and it used an implosion type trigger device.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

It's 3 times the enrichment necessary for peaceful nuclear power.

Using a nuclear weapon, should they develop one and a means to deliver it,
would cause serious human suffering at its point of impact.

Concurrently, however, it would result in existential closure for Iran.
The nation would become a mirror visible from space.
Don't they understand that,
or do they consider it a fair tradeoff?

 

[Earl]

Perception of Importance for US Security and Prosperity

Preventing Iran From Obtaining a Nuclear vWeapon-84%
2025 Reagan Institute Summer Survey
May 27-June 2025

Leave it to the far left Democratic Socialist loons to be on the 16% side.

They are so far out of touch with sane Americans, it defies logic.

 

[Damocles]

Using a nuclear weapon, should they develop one and a means to deliver it,
would cause serious human suffering at its point of impact.

Concurrently, however, it would result in existential closure for Iran.
The nation would become a mirror visible from space.
Don't they understand that,
or do they consider it a fair tradeoff?

They have ballistic missiles, they've been landing on their main target in just the past week. The "means to deliver" is clearly not something they need to develop.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The issue isn't whether it is weapons grade as you can make one that is larger and bulkier with 20% enriched uranium... They would have to take it there and drop it off then leave and set it off as 20% would be a massively large weapon, 60% would be smaller than that but still much larger than the weapon with 90% enrichment and would have to have a backwater gun-type trigger, like "Little Boy" dropped on Nagasaki (though that was 80% Enriched).

The bulkier device would have delivery issues and would not be as efficient, but it would not be impossible nor would it be guaranteed to be fizzled... the gun-type fission is also less efficient and would produce a less "explosive" action, but not necessarily "fizzled".

Plutonium is created in Reactors and does not need to be enriched to be weapons grade, it is separated by chemicals, at least one of Iran's nuclear reactors does produce plutonium, which could then be separated and made into a weapon as well. The second nuclear device we dropped in Japan (Fat Man) used just 6.2 kg of Plutonium as opposed to the 64kg of uranium in the one dropped on Hiroshima and it used an implosion type trigger device.

Not a nuclear physicist, but my understanding is that 20% enrichment can't be made to explode no matter how big it is. OTOH, load a few tons of powder into a cargo plane and blow it up over NYC would make the city uninhabitable for years. A dirty bomb detonated on Wall Street risks crashing the US economy followed by the global economy.

Dirty Bombs: Frequently Asked Questions

Get answers to frequently asked questions about dirty bombs.

www.cdc.gov

A dirty bomb is not the same as an atomic bomb​

An atomic bomb, like those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, involves the splitting of atoms and a huge release of energy that produces the atomic mushroom cloud.

A dirty bomb works completely differently and cannot create an atomic blast. Instead, a dirty bomb uses dynamite or other explosives to scatter radioactive dust, smoke, or other material in order to cause radioactive contamination.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump's own Director of National Security says Iran is not building or working on nuclear weapons.

They sure aren't now, are they?

ROFL

America's Hamas, the democrats, have lost their closest ally.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

They have ballistic missiles, they've been landing on their main target in just the past week. The "means to deliver" is clearly not something they need to develop.

We had a grand total of two nuclear weapons to drop on Japan,
and we used both of them.

Where would we be if Japan had six thousand nuclear weapons with which to immediately respond?
That's what Iran would be facing.
A nuclear attack on their part would be the very last thing that they ever did.
They have to understand that, no?
Or is Islamist Jihadism so brain mangling that they don't care?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You got the playbook down, how to drag America into a nation building 20 year war. The Defense Contractors are proud.

The forever war is over in Ukraine - and you support it.

Iran is already defeated - which has you of Hamas melting down. Israel - the Jews - defeated your ally.

 

[Earl]

Using a nuclear weapon, should they develop one and a means to deliver it,
would cause serious human suffering at its point of impact.

Concurrently, however, it would result in existential closure for Iran.
The nation would become a mirror visible from space.
Don't they understand that,
or do they consider it a fair tradeoff?

“Using a nuclear weapon, should they develop one and a means to deliver it,
would cause serious human suffering at its point of impact.”

Gee, Nifty, you think?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Generally speaking, I don't support US war [against] Iran.

Neither do I.

But I do support Israel's war against Iran.

I also don't see any reason to believe that the US is entering a war against Iran.

Exactly .

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They have ballistic missiles, they've been landing on their main target in just the past week. The "means to deliver" is clearly not something they need to develop.

They have both short and medium range ballistic missiles. The largest has a range of 2000km with a payload of 1500kg. The US Little Boy (Hiroshima) bomb weighed 4400kg.

What missiles does Iran have to launch against Israel, and how far can they go? - Breaking Defense

Depending on the effectiveness of Israeli strikes on missile sites, Iran’s ballistic capability may still be its most effective option for striking back.

breakingdefense.com

Little Boy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Uncensored2008]

Then what?

Have a sandwich?

Polly Anna, "Trump will save us."

 

[Earl]

The Israelis are doing what the entire free world should be doing.

Of course the Europeans are hiding and allowing Israel, with help from the US, to defend them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Read this thread, it is clear Trumppers did not learn a thing from the Iraq war. They would do it all over again.

Read this thread, it's clear America's Hamas denies that Israel exists.

America did not attack Iran - regardless of what you Antisemites claim.

 

[Uncensored2008]

They called Iraq an existential threat to Israel, America and the entire war. Study history, it will repeat.

Bush missed the target, which was always to the east of Iraq.

 

[Earl]

Have a sandwich?


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Or answer the phones…or looking for something “hard.”

An engineer would look at cost vs. benefit.

If Iran gets a nuke, Israelis will all die…or most of them.

It is not to Israel’s benefit for Iran to have a nuke.

Ya esta.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am not a queen, I am a proud father and husband. I am younger than you.

Your Avatar claims that your source of pride is sucking cocks. Oh, gay marriage - I get it.

 

[Earl]

Your Avatar claims that your source of pride is sucking cocks. Oh, gay marriage - I get it.

He came out when he posted his Avatar…and when he spoke of “something hard.”

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Using a nuclear weapon, should they develop one and a means to deliver it,
would cause serious human suffering at its point of impact.

Concurrently, however, it would result in existential closure for Iran.
The nation would become a mirror visible from space.
Don't they understand that,
or do they consider it a fair tradeoff?

I doubt the Iranian leadership is that short-sighted. Unlike Americans, they believe in the long game.

IMO, the only reason the Iranians want nukes is to prevent invasion while they continue unhindered with their global terrorism network.

A good book with insights into Iran is former CIA operative Robert Baer's book, "Iran - The Devil We Know".

https://www.npr.org/2008/10/02/95285396/ex-cia-operative-discusses-the-devil-we-know

"The sooner we understand the Iranian paradox — who they are, what they want, how they want to both humble us and work with us — the sooner we'll understand how to come to terms with the new Iranian superpower," writes Baer.

https://www.amazon.com/Devil-We-Know-Dealing-Superpower/dp/0307408647