Does a State have a right to secede from a Union?

[Into the Night]

Correct. Did you report yourself or are you too weak? You're too weak to admit you are all three accounts. My God, dude, you talk to yourself with your socks. Don't you realize how pathetically self-involved and lonely that makes you look? Dude, you're publicly playing with yourself every fucking time you do it.

Everyone knows it. What most people have a problem figuring out is whether you do it because you are a paranoid schizophrenic split-personality like Sybil or you just like virtual public masturbation which produces both an enormous "Ewwww" factor and annoyance because you keep rubbing it in their faces.

Personally, I think both cases indicates you're a sick little fuckwit who likes virtual public masturbation. Your faux forum is the centerpiece. It's in your signatures.

YALSA. Rule 14.

 

[Into the Night]

Apart from the original thirteen states, every other state in the Union - except Texas and possibly West Virginia - was created from "federal territory". The question then is, do they have a right to secede? It's a serious question that warrants serious consideration.

RQAA. Stop repeating the question mindlessly. I already answered it.

Did you know that California has around twice the GDP of Russia?

Argument from randU fallacy.

Russia is a dictatorship,

No. Russia is currently an oligarchy.

although very far from "socialist".

Socialism is not a form of government. All nations have socialism in them, just as all nations have capitalism in them.

California is neither a dictatorship nor socialist.

It is both.

I think you would soon recognize these not-so-subtle differences if you had to live in Russia.

No need. Obviously, you either refuse to recognize what has happened to you living in the SDTC, or you figure you are part of The Elite.

 

[Into the Night]

Northern Ireland?

Sure.

 

[Into the Night]

you do realize that if California secedes they will leave their SS and Medicare benefits behind, right?......

Heh. The Oligarchy protects it's own. They have no problem giving money away.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

No. Russia is currently an oligarchy.

Russia is currently an authoritarian autocracy. If it were otherwise, Putin would be gone by now.

As it is, the only "oligarchs" who dare to criticize him are those who have left the country.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Free Masonry began it's first lodge in 1717 in what is now the UK.
It accepts men that have a faith in God (or gods) or Shinto, which has no gods. It does not accept anyone from the Church of No God, which tends to be Democrats. Most of China practices either Buddhism or Shintoism, like Japan. There is also a fairly strong Muslim culture there. There are some Christians in both nations. Christians in China have their meetings censored and controlled by the government. Actual meetings conforming to their belief means meeting in secret.

In general, Free Masonry encourages those who are Christian. It is not an illuminati. You've been reading too many illuminati stories. They are fiction, dude.

I disagree.

freemasonry was infiltrated by the bavarian illuminati.

that's why most masons are globalist fucksticks.

you should quit.


Here’s an interesting snippet from the archives: Letters from George Washington discussing the Illuminati in 1798. Washington was responding to a parcel containing a book, Proofs of a Conspiracy against All the Religions and Governments of Europe (1797), written by John Robinson, a renowned Scottish Professor. The book accused European Freemasonry of being infiltrated by the Order of the Illuminati, who aimed to “root out all the religious establishments and overturn all the existing governments of Europe.”

Source of letters: https://archive.vn/bTWyY
[Washington to Reverend Snyder]:

“I have heard much of the nefarious, & dangerous plan, & doctrines of the Illuminati […] I believe notwithstandings, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati.”
[Washington responding to Reverend Snyder’ reply]:

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects […] is too evident to be questioned.”
So, Washington believed that Illuminism was an evil threat, decried the Jacobins (French Revolutionaries), called them both diabolical and pernicious, and hinted that Jacobinism and Illuminism were one and the same.

Apparently, Washington didn’t believe that Masonic lodges in America had fallen to Illuminism, but he did suspect that Illuminati-affiliated individuals were no doubt attempting to subvert the country, even though the Illuminati was outlawed almost a decade earlier. From this we can conclude that Washington believed Illuminati conspirators had continued their schemes underground or via other organizations, such as European Freemasonry.

Another book, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism (1799) by Abbé Augustin Barruel, independently came to the same conclusion as Robinson: Freemasons were behind the French Revolution, and behind the Masons was the Order of the Illuminati, who had infiltrated the organization in the late 1770s. The philosophical founder of British Conservatism, Edmund Burke, wrote a letter to Barruel stating:

“I have known myself, personally, five of your principal conspirators; and I can undertake to say from my own certain knowledge, that as far back as the year 1773, they were busy in the plot you have so well described, and in the manner, and on the principle you have so truly represented. To this I can speak as a witness.”

Burke criticized the French Revolution (1789–99) from a Liberal and Traditionalist perspective in his influential work Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790).

If conspiracy theories are to be believed, the Illuminati was essentially a crypto-Jewish secret society, akin to the Shabbateans and Frankists; crypto-Jews who converted to Islam and Catholicism, respectively. In his book To Eliminate the Opiate, Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman claims that the Illuminati was founded in Frankfurt by Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830), a Jewish convert to Christianity, and financed by the Rothschild banking dynasty via Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812).

Antelman also claims that the Illuminati was assisted by Jacob Frank (1726–1791), the self-proclaimed Jewish messiah who continued the satanic tradition established by Shabbatai Zevi (1626–1676). Although Shabbateanism was completely heretical, preaching a philosophy of total moral inversion that included the violation of Jewish religious laws (antinomianism), it was followed by almost the entirety of the world’s Jewish population, at the time. [Don’t shoot the messenger, Chabad said it, not me]. Frankism was (and still is) a more radical (and degenerate) version of Shabbateanism.

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/202...minatis-infiltration-of-european-freemasonry/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

YALSA. Rule 14.

 

[Into the Night]

Russia is currently an authoritarian autocracy. If it were otherwise, Putin would be gone by now.

As it is, the only "oligarchs" who dare to criticize him are those who have left the country.

So you are saying Russia is a dictatorship. Quite possible.

 

[Into the Night]

I disagree.

freemasonry was infiltrated by the bavarian illuminati.

that's why most masons are globalist fucksticks.

you should quit.


Here’s an interesting snippet from the archives: Letters from George Washington discussing the Illuminati in 1798. Washington was responding to a parcel containing a book, Proofs of a Conspiracy against All the Religions and Governments of Europe (1797), written by John Robinson, a renowned Scottish Professor. The book accused European Freemasonry of being infiltrated by the Order of the Illuminati, who aimed to “root out all the religious establishments and overturn all the existing governments of Europe.”

Source of letters: https://archive.vn/bTWyY
[Washington to Reverend Snyder]:

“I have heard much of the nefarious, & dangerous plan, & doctrines of the Illuminati […] I believe notwithstandings, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati.”
[Washington responding to Reverend Snyder’ reply]:

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects […] is too evident to be questioned.”
So, Washington believed that Illuminism was an evil threat, decried the Jacobins (French Revolutionaries), called them both diabolical and pernicious, and hinted that Jacobinism and Illuminism were one and the same.

Apparently, Washington didn’t believe that Masonic lodges in America had fallen to Illuminism, but he did suspect that Illuminati-affiliated individuals were no doubt attempting to subvert the country, even though the Illuminati was outlawed almost a decade earlier. From this we can conclude that Washington believed Illuminati conspirators had continued their schemes underground or via other organizations, such as European Freemasonry.

Another book, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism (1799) by Abbé Augustin Barruel, independently came to the same conclusion as Robinson: Freemasons were behind the French Revolution, and behind the Masons was the Order of the Illuminati, who had infiltrated the organization in the late 1770s. The philosophical founder of British Conservatism, Edmund Burke, wrote a letter to Barruel stating:

“I have known myself, personally, five of your principal conspirators; and I can undertake to say from my own certain knowledge, that as far back as the year 1773, they were busy in the plot you have so well described, and in the manner, and on the principle you have so truly represented. To this I can speak as a witness.”

Burke criticized the French Revolution (1789–99) from a Liberal and Traditionalist perspective in his influential work Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790).

If conspiracy theories are to be believed, the Illuminati was essentially a crypto-Jewish secret society, akin to the Shabbateans and Frankists; crypto-Jews who converted to Islam and Catholicism, respectively. In his book To Eliminate the Opiate, Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman claims that the Illuminati was founded in Frankfurt by Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830), a Jewish convert to Christianity, and financed by the Rothschild banking dynasty via Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812).

Antelman also claims that the Illuminati was assisted by Jacob Frank (1726–1791), the self-proclaimed Jewish messiah who continued the satanic tradition established by Shabbatai Zevi (1626–1676). Although Shabbateanism was completely heretical, preaching a philosophy of total moral inversion that included the violation of Jewish religious laws (antinomianism), it was followed by almost the entirety of the world’s Jewish population, at the time. [Don’t shoot the messenger, Chabad said it, not me]. Frankism was (and still is) a more radical (and degenerate) version of Shabbateanism.

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/202...minatis-infiltration-of-european-freemasonry/

Okay. It is obvious you have some pretty weird beliefs here and you're willing to point to works of fiction as works of nonfiction to 'prove' it. I tried.

 

[Into the Night]

I disagree.

freemasonry was infiltrated by the bavarian illuminati.

that's why most masons are globalist fucksticks.

you should quit.


Here’s an interesting snippet from the archives: Letters from George Washington discussing the Illuminati in 1798. Washington was responding to a parcel containing a book, Proofs of a Conspiracy against All the Religions and Governments of Europe (1797), written by John Robinson, a renowned Scottish Professor. The book accused European Freemasonry of being infiltrated by the Order of the Illuminati, who aimed to “root out all the religious establishments and overturn all the existing governments of Europe.”

Source of letters: https://archive.vn/bTWyY
[Washington to Reverend Snyder]:

“I have heard much of the nefarious, & dangerous plan, & doctrines of the Illuminati […] I believe notwithstandings, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati.”
[Washington responding to Reverend Snyder’ reply]:

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or the pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, and that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects […] is too evident to be questioned.”
So, Washington believed that Illuminism was an evil threat, decried the Jacobins (French Revolutionaries), called them both diabolical and pernicious, and hinted that Jacobinism and Illuminism were one and the same.

Apparently, Washington didn’t believe that Masonic lodges in America had fallen to Illuminism, but he did suspect that Illuminati-affiliated individuals were no doubt attempting to subvert the country, even though the Illuminati was outlawed almost a decade earlier. From this we can conclude that Washington believed Illuminati conspirators had continued their schemes underground or via other organizations, such as European Freemasonry.

Another book, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism (1799) by Abbé Augustin Barruel, independently came to the same conclusion as Robinson: Freemasons were behind the French Revolution, and behind the Masons was the Order of the Illuminati, who had infiltrated the organization in the late 1770s. The philosophical founder of British Conservatism, Edmund Burke, wrote a letter to Barruel stating:

“I have known myself, personally, five of your principal conspirators; and I can undertake to say from my own certain knowledge, that as far back as the year 1773, they were busy in the plot you have so well described, and in the manner, and on the principle you have so truly represented. To this I can speak as a witness.”

Burke criticized the French Revolution (1789–99) from a Liberal and Traditionalist perspective in his influential work Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790).

If conspiracy theories are to be believed, the Illuminati was essentially a crypto-Jewish secret society, akin to the Shabbateans and Frankists; crypto-Jews who converted to Islam and Catholicism, respectively. In his book To Eliminate the Opiate, Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman claims that the Illuminati was founded in Frankfurt by Adam Weishaupt (1748–1830), a Jewish convert to Christianity, and financed by the Rothschild banking dynasty via Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744–1812).

Antelman also claims that the Illuminati was assisted by Jacob Frank (1726–1791), the self-proclaimed Jewish messiah who continued the satanic tradition established by Shabbatai Zevi (1626–1676). Although Shabbateanism was completely heretical, preaching a philosophy of total moral inversion that included the violation of Jewish religious laws (antinomianism), it was followed by almost the entirety of the world’s Jewish population, at the time. [Don’t shoot the messenger, Chabad said it, not me]. Frankism was (and still is) a more radical (and degenerate) version of Shabbateanism.

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/202...minatis-infiltration-of-european-freemasonry/

Okay. It is obvious you have some pretty weird beliefs here and you're willing to point to works of fiction as works of nonfiction to 'prove' it. I tried.

 

[Into the Night]

Rule 14

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Rule 14

 

[Into the Night]

Rule 14

 

[NiftyNiblick]

In the United Kingdom the right of a constituent state to secede is recognized in practice. For example, Scotland or indeed England could secede, leaving the rest to make the best of it; and good luck with that.

In Spain the right of a province to secede is definitely not recognized, as we saw with Catalonia a few years ago. I think we can hazard a guess that the situation would be the same in France, not to mention Russia, China etc.

In the United States the situation is more complicated, considering that the nation itself was founded by secession:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What do you think – could a State legally secede?

Secession isn't the ideal way to go. All states should call for a constitutional convention aimed at partitioning the nation,
People who viscerally hate each other have no real reason to argue if they're not interfering with each other's laws and tax codes.

Partition can lead to harmony if people indeed want harmony.
If they don't, well fuck them. Let the new countries go at it. They're almost doing it now as one country.
Let's see if Red State America can finance a war on its own. I can't imagine how.

 

[Into the Night]

You will find war in the so-called 'blue' States as well, if you try to take away guns.