Donald Trump to kick transgender troops out of US military

[ThatOwlWoman]

In part. Environment in part. Socialization in part, etc.

That old Freud idea that homosexual males are created by domineering mothers and lesbians by absent or abusive fathers was debunked decades ago. Our orientation is inborn. A homophobic family may try desperately to change one of its members, but it never works. A child adopted by a gay couple is no more likely to "turn gay" than a kid raised in a binary family.

 

[Earl]

The same people who (were disgusted with) hated blacks, then (were disgusted with) hated interracial marriages, then gay people, and now trans people…. You are the same group, just move on when your hate is no longer acceptable.

You do realize that the American people refuted your horse mierda.

Your hatred of the American people lost the election.

You and your ilk were left on the trash heap of history.

How does it feel to be irrelevant?

 

[Hawkeye10]

You do realize that the American people refuted your horse mierda.

Your hatred of the American people lost the election.

You and your ilk were left on the trash heap of history.

How does it feel to be irrelevant?

Talk about hubris....this is not remotely over....this revolution has been in the works for 60 years.....it is not dead because of one election.

You have as per usual no idea what is going on.

U Suck.

 

[Phantasmal]

Trans people are often asked to go off hormones for surgical procedures, it can be as long as two weeks for some procedures.

That old Freud idea that homosexual males are created by domineering mothers and lesbians by absent or abusive fathers was debunked decades ago. Our orientation is inborn. A homophobic family may try desperately to change one of its members, but it never works. A child adopted by a gay couple is no more likely to "turn gay" than a kid raised in a binary family.

That old Freud idea that homosexual males are created by domineering mothers and lesbians by absent or abusive fathers was debunked decades ago. Our orientation is inborn. A homophobic family may try desperately to change one of its members, but it never works. A child adopted by a gay couple is no more likely to "turn gay" than a kid raised in a binary family.

Bravo!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That old Freud idea that homosexual males are created by domineering mothers and lesbians by absent or abusive fathers was debunked decades ago. Our orientation is inborn. A homophobic family may try desperately to change one of its members, but it never works. A child adopted by a gay couple is no more likely to "turn gay" than a kid raised in a binary family.

You are trying to use a continuum fallacy here. That is, you want to define the ocean by a single drop of water. Environmental and social factors are far more diverse than that. It isn't anywhere so simple as you try and make it out to be.

By doing so--simplifying this--you are trying to dismiss what is clearly possible by using a single, narrowly defined, example. You'd be wrong on that count. This issue is far more complex than that.

 

[Damocles]

There are many trans people who aren’t suicidal and never have been.

Trans people can serve in capacities that don’t require them to be on the front line.
There are ways to get around this requirement.

I didn't say they were, Frogs... Nor do I think that because there is a higher likelihood of it among those folks you can just "assume" that they will be. I said: If they are otherwise healthy and do not need a constant flow of medication to stay that way there is no reason to ask them to leave or to exclude them. They said some form of this: "what if they are suicidal" and I stated that mental health is health and that is taken into consideration in what I stated.

 

[Diogenes]

There are many trans people who aren’t suicidal and never have been. Trans people can serve in capacities that don’t require them to be on the front line. There are ways to get around this requirement.

So you say.

Got any evidence?

 

[Earl]

Men who think they can change their gender by whacking off their Johnson and whatever women do are mentally ill.

There are two genders and they are not interchangeable.

They do not qualify to be in the military.

They qualify to be institutionalized.

No social experimentation with our fighting forces.

Trump is right, remove them from the military..

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There are many trans people who aren’t suicidal and never have been.

An irrelevancy in the overall population. The trans suicide rate is nearly 50%, over 10 times as great as with non-trans, and closer to 20 times. Since the military--or anybody else--has no means of screening for those that are or could become suicidal, it is reasonable to just say no to their enlisting.

Trans people can serve in capacities that don’t require them to be on the front line.
There are ways to get around this requirement.

Clearly, you never served. In a military career, you serve in multiple positions. Let me give you one from my service. When I first joined the Navy, women were just being let into serving in the nuclear power field. At the time, they couldn't serve on combatant ships or submarines. That meant that any that did complete the program were sent to tenders or shore duty. By taking up those billets, male sailors coming off sea duty for a shore rotation had far fewer billets they could transfer into within the program. That meant their shore duty rotation would be shortened by 6+ months going to an non-nuclear billet because there were no open nuclear field billets.

That created a massive amount of resentment within the program towards women, not because they were female, but because it was seen as unfair and hurting male sailors within the program. Shore duty was seen as a reward and break from sea duty. Women filling shore duty billets was seen as unfairly going to the head of the line so-to-speak.

If you do the same with trans persons, the same thing will certainly happen. It will be seen as unfair and giving a reward to someone undeserving of it.

 

[Phantasmal]

I didn't say they were, Frogs... Nor do I think that because there is a higher likelihood of it among those folks you can just "assume" that they will be. I said: If they are otherwise healthy and do not need a constant flow of medication to stay that way there is no reason to ask them to leave or to exclude them. They said some form of this: "what if they are suicidal" and I stated that mental health is health and that is taken into consideration in what I stated.

You did state, at first, that it was like diabetes.

I’m glad you clarified your position.