Dress code or Racism?

[Boris The Animal]

Some time ago, and I don't have the link for it, there was a story about a woman who sued a business she was applying for a job. Reason why she was declined was that her hair didn't meet the company's appearance code. The court sided with the business and I started an ensuing discussion on FB about it.
Now, having said that, allow me to give my scenario. Suppose I were the owner of a tour and charter bus company, fairly mid sized with a fleet of 45 buses, and was hiring drivers. Now, I make it clear what my expectations for appearance, IN WRITING are:

1) Uniform code including uniform shirt, slacks, black shoes (polishable) and socks, tie (optional during Summer), vest, cap, and jacket all optional except on high end or high profile charters.

2) Clean Shaven, mustaches allowed, beards/VanDykes/Goatees allowed AS LONG AS THEY ARE NEATLY TRIMMED!!!!

3) Professional attitude and demeanor at all times as the driver is the ambassador for my company.

Now. That being said, and documented in writing, I get two well qualified driver candidates with impeccable backgrounds, both black, but one is clean cut, shaven, groomed to the hilt, the other has dreds, and a Pharaoh beard. I hire the clean cut man ahead of the other candidate, would the man with the Dreds have a legal leg to stand on? Is this an example of racism, even though my policies for appearance are there in black and white (no pun intended)? Just putting this out there.

 

[Irish Exit]

Unless candidate # 2 is an Egyptian by way of a pot smoking place or a pot smoker by way of Egypt, he is totally culturally appropriating and should not be hired because he isn't PC.

 

[hvilleherb]

Speaking Ebonics instead of English should be enough to disqualify them from employment.

 

[Leonthecat]

This isn't even controversial.

 

[Boris The Animal]

This isn't even controversial.

I just thought I'd throw it out there because I got into a rather heated discussion with another driver on FB who thinks anything should go, as long as the driver was otherwise qualified. However, I correctly pointed out that appearance means alot. We drivers are ambassadors for our respective companies/Transit agencies.

 

[Boris The Animal]

Speaking Ebonics instead of English should be enough to disqualify them from employment.

That falls under #3 of my Dress and Appearance Code.

 

[Leonthecat]

I just thought I'd throw it out there because I got into a rather heated discussion with another driver on FB who thinks anything should go, as long as the driver was otherwise qualified. However, I correctly pointed out that appearance means alot. We drivers are ambassadors for our respective companies/Transit agencies.

You are correct.
In jobs where employees interact with the public, minimum requirements of dress and appearance, within reason, that are not met, are and should be deal breakers.

 

[Jack]

Some time ago, and I don't have the link for it, there was a story about a woman who sued a business she was applying for a job. Reason why she was declined was that her hair didn't meet the company's appearance code. The court sided with the business and I started an ensuing discussion on FB about it.
Now, having said that, allow me to give my scenario. Suppose I were the owner of a tour and charter bus company, fairly mid sized with a fleet of 45 buses, and was hiring drivers. Now, I make it clear what my expectations for appearance, IN WRITING are:

1) Uniform code including uniform shirt, slacks, black shoes (polishable) and socks, tie (optional during Summer), vest, cap, and jacket all optional except on high end or high profile charters.

2) Clean Shaven, mustaches allowed, beards/VanDykes/Goatees allowed AS LONG AS THEY ARE NEATLY TRIMMED!!!!

3) Professional attitude and demeanor at all times as the driver is the ambassador for my company.

Now. That being said, and documented in writing, I get two well qualified driver candidates with impeccable backgrounds, both black, but one is clean cut, shaven, groomed to the hilt, the other has dreds, and a Pharaoh beard. I hire the clean cut man ahead of the other candidate, would the man with the Dreds have a legal leg to stand on? Is this an example of racism, even though my policies for appearance are there in black and white (no pun intended)? Just putting this out there.

If both candidates are 'black', ... how is it 'racism' if you hire the 'black' one?

 

[Boris The Animal]

If both candidates are 'black', ... how is it 'racism' if you hire the 'black' one?

the issue here is "culture". Basically, the clean cut guy I would hire would probably appear too "white" in some circles and that I was "racist" for not hiring the guy with the dreds and pharaoh beard.

 

[Jack]

the issue here is "culture". Basically, the clean cut guy I would hire would probably appear too "white" in some circles and that I was "racist" for not hiring the guy with the dreds and pharaoh beard.

So, ... it's NOT 'racism', but 'culturism' we're talking about?

 

[Fentoine Lum]

the issue here is "culture". Basically, the clean cut guy I would hire would probably appear too "white" in some circles and that I was "racist" for not hiring the guy with the dreds and pharaoh beard.

I too have my own cultural requirements, that's why I would never have a FaceBook page.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

So, ... it's NOT 'racism', but 'culturism' we're talking about?

"Culturism" = the uppity ones.

 

[Boris The Animal]

So, ... it's NOT 'racism', but 'culturism' we're talking about?

No. It is about my company, the brand, and the image I want to present. As the owner, it is my absolute right to determine that.

 

[Jack]

No. It is about my company, the brand, and the image I want to present. As the owner, it is my absolute right to determine that.

So, if a person applied with tattoos all over his face, a pink mohawk hair style, a "Fuck You" on his T-shirt, and legally blind, ... you wouldn't hire him?
This just proves you're a right-wing fascist racist sexist pig!

 

[Boris The Animal]

I hope that was your attempt at humor. First of all, said applicant would fail the DOT physical because of his eyesight. Second, it is a frigging tour and charter bus company. So I have to demand a certain professional appearance.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

I hope that was your attempt at humor. First of all, said applicant would fail the DOT physical because of his eyesight. Second, it is a frigging tour and charter bus company. So I have to demand a certain professional appearance.

I've always smiled when I hear that term "professional". All it has ever meant is, unquestioningly compliant.

 

[Mason Michaels]

Speaking Ebonics instead of English should be enough to disqualify them from employment.

What you talkin bout Willis

 

[Jack]

I hope that was your attempt at humor. First of all, said applicant would fail the DOT physical because of his eyesight. Second, it is a frigging tour and charter bus company. So I have to demand a certain professional appearance.

You Reactionary-types will try and find ANY excuse. Next you will deny a Muslim woman to drive your fucking Tour Busses just because she wears a full Burqa with a bag over her head.
Just admit YOU are a fucking racist sexist culturalist swine!

 

[Fentoine Lum]

You Reactionary-types will try and find ANY excuse. Next you will deny a Muslim woman to drive your fucking Tour Busses just because she wears a full Burqa with a bag over her head.
Just admit YOU are a fucking racist sexist culturalist swine!

Oh we're already at that Jack.

Bank of America freezes account of immigrant Ph.D. candidate who's studied in U.S. for seven years
https://www.dallasnews.com/business...mmigrant-phd-candidate-studied-us-seven-years

The Trump Administration Is Revoking Passports of Some U.S. Citizens of Hispanic Descent
http://fortune.com/2018/08/30/trump-administration-passports-immigration/

We are one 9/11 type event away from a lockdown, all the apparati are in place and it was utterly bipartisan.

 

[Boris The Animal]

You Reactionary-types will try and find ANY excuse. Next you will deny a Muslim woman to drive your fucking Tour Busses just because she wears a full Burqa with a bag over her head.
Just admit YOU are a fucking racist sexist culturalist swine!

so in your twisted worldview, I shouldn't be able to conduct MY business as I see fit under the parameters of the law? Before you answer with your ignorance, consider this. Do you ever wonder why there is never a NY Yankee ballplayer with long hair, dreds, nor even a beard? That's because they have the strictest appearance code in the Major Leagues.