Dukkha is more than suffering.

I'm not debating about a 'Spirit'. I think we all accept that the physical body dies and deteriorates. So the question becomes 'Do we have a 'Spirit' that survives the Death of the Body'. I, Jack, personally DON"T KNOW. I could SPECULATE, but that's all it would be. So, all I, Jack, know is that I'm here on the Planet. And, I, Jack, get to choose what I want to concentrate on, what I want to focus on, what I, Jack, want to do with THIS Life here, THIS Life now. I, Jack, right or wrong, have chosen to live THIS Life, here and now, seeking contentment, pleasure, and happiness.

IF, ... If I have a 'Spirit' and it moves 'on', I, Jack, will confront the 'Next Reality' and deal with it as it is dealt out to me. If I'm a Dog, if I'm a Human, if I'm with 72 Virgins, if I'm in Hell with the Porn Stars, if I'm an exact replica of myself in a Parallel Universe, or if I'm in Heaven playing a Harp, ... I, Jack, will confront THAT Reality and decide MY best course of action AT THAT TIME.

I would be a Lunatic trying to guess the Next Reality, THEN ... live THIS Life. ... in preparation for the NEXT Life. (Does that make sense?)

yes it does



I believe in science


its backed up by observable facts


the fact is this is why humans have managed to stay alive and prosper on this planet




the fact that most humans are mostly good


which allows ever growing masses if us to live cooperatively in relative peace



treating each other as beings that matter


Compassion, love and decency



there is always the ones who are like saints



and the ones who are complete rat bag bastards





about 4% of people are sociopaths


1 percent women


and 3% are men



If nature had not found its way to make us mostly good we would have died out long ago.




LOVE baby



without it mankind will cease to exist




Love is utterly tied to mans intelligence


without love and compassion mankind would not have developed a high intelligence



YOU OWE YOUR EXISTANCE TO LOVE



even you sociopaths


you are just to cold and broken to realize that
 
no human response huh
it's all human. it's controlling your mind.
meditation and breathing practices,aid you calmness to control the flood of data (constant stimulation).

distract yourself, breath, use correct posture, think you are your own master..etc.
 
it's all human. it's controlling your mind.
meditation and breathing practices,aid you calmness to control the flood of data (constant stimulation).

distract yourself, breath, use correct posture, think you are your own master..etc.

you are a program


you cant discuss real human things
 
yes it does



I believe in science


its backed up by observable facts


the fact is this is why humans have managed to stay alive and prosper on this planet




the fact that most humans are mostly good


which allows ever growing masses if us to live cooperatively in relative peace



treating each other as beings that matter


Compassion, love and decency



there is always the ones who are like saints



and the ones who are complete rat bag bastards





about 4% of people are sociopaths


1 percent women


and 3% are men



If nature had not found its way to make us mostly good we would have died out long ago.




LOVE baby



without it mankind will cease to exist




Love is utterly tied to mans intelligence


without love and compassion mankind would not have developed a high intelligence



YOU OWE YOUR EXISTANCE TO LOVE



even you sociopaths


you are just to cold and broken to realize that

give me a real human response to this
 
it does coming from a hedonist - and I never make value judgments about religion or a lack of.
Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind.
For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice

anatta: "Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind."
Jack: Yes, ENDLESS ... being the Key Word. (so 'speculating' is a waste of time)

anatta: "For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice
Jack: 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' ... is a pretty old concept and accepted by most.
 
Bhaktajan: "Is this an ORIGINAL idea?"
Jack: You'd have to ask Epicurus.

"For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by ataraxia—peace and freedom from fear— and aponia—the absence of pain— and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that the root of all human neurosis is death denial, and the tendency for human beings to assume that death will be horrific and painful, which he claimed causes unnecessary anxiety, selfish self-protective behaviors, and hypocrisy. According to Epicurus, death is the end of both the body and the soul and therefore should not be feared. Likewise, Epicurus taught that the gods, though they do exist, have no involvement in human affairs and do not punish or reward people for their actions. Nonetheless, he maintained that people should still behave ethically because amoral behavior will burden them with guilt and prevent them from attaining ataraxia."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus


discrimination of the self from matter.




Is this an ORIGINAL idea?

Is that called the Anthony Bourdain path?

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As long as the material body exists, one has to meet the demands of the body,
namely eating, sleeping, defending and mating.

Extravagance in the matter of eating, sleeping, defending and mating—which are
demands of the body—can block advancement in spiritual life.

There are various grades of men, and out of many thousands, one may be sufficiently
interested in transcendental realization to try to know what is the self, what is the body,
and what is the Absolute Truth. Generally mankind is simply engaged in the animal
propensities, namely eating, sleeping, defending and mating, and hardly anyone is
interested in transcendental knowledge. The first six chapters of the Gītā are meant
for those who are interested in transcendental knowledge, in understanding the self,
the Superself and the process of realization by jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga and
discrimination of the self from matter.

One who does not develop knowledge through the authorities or scriptural injunctions
has knowledge that is limited to the body. He is not concerned about acting in terms
of the directions of scripture. For him God is money, and knowledge means the
satisfaction of bodily demands. Such knowledge has no connection with the
Absolute Truth. It is more or less like the knowledge of the ordinary animals:
the knowledge of eating, sleeping, defending and mating.

Eating, sleeping, defending and mating are the four principles of material bodily
demands
which are common to both the animals and human society.
to distinguish human society from the animals there is the performance of religious
activities in terms of the social statuses and orders of life.

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"Buddha described the human mind as being filled with drunken monkeys,
jumping around, screeching, chattering, carrying on endlessly. We all ..."


"The Buddha coined the term 'kapacitta' to describe this restless,
agitated, incessant movement of the mind. "

Mind monkey or monkey mind, from Chinese xinyuan and Sino-Japanese shin'en 心猿
[lit. "heart-/mind-monkey"], is a Buddhist term meaning "unsettled; restless;
capricious; whimsical; fanciful; inconstant; confused; indecisive; uncontrollable".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_monkey
 
anatta: "Still you are aware of other possibilities and keep an open mind."
Jack: Yes, ENDLESS ... being the Key Word. (so 'speculating' is a waste of time)

anatta: "For example you might want to live a "moral life" - and then the awareness comes into a practice
Jack: 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' ... is a pretty old concept and accepted by most.
a very good guide to interactive behavior, not so much for self behaviors
 
Is the non-Buddhists thinking that this talk of Buddhism is about living monastically?

Here is the secular pop-references ...and they're oldies:

Zen in the Art of Archery (Zen in der Kunst des Bogenschießens) is a book by German philosophy professor Eugen Herrigel, published in 1948, about his experiences studying Kyūdō, a form of Japanese archery, when he lived in Japan in the 1920s. It is credited with introducing Zen to Western audiences in the late 1940s and 1950s.

he book sets forth theories about motor learning. Herrigel has an accepting spirit towards and about unconscious control of outer activity that Westerners heretofore considered to be wholly under conscious-waking control and direction. For example, a central idea in the book is how through years of practice, a physical activity becomes effortless both mentally and physically, as if our physical memory (today known as "muscle memory") executes complex and difficult movements without conscious control from the mind.
Herrigel describes Zen in archery as follows:
"(...) The archer ceases to be conscious of himself as the one who is engaged in hitting the bull's-eye which confronts him. This state of unconscious is realized only when, completely empty and rid of the self, he becomes one with the perfecting of his technical skill, though there is in it something of a quite different order which cannot be attained by any progressive study of the art (...)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery

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Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
An Inquiry into Values (ZAMM), by Robert M. Pirsig,
is a book that was first published in 1974.

It is a work of fictionalized autobiography, and is the first of
Pirsig's texts in which he explores his Metaphysics of Quality.
The title is an apparent play on the title of the 1948 book
Zen in the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel.

In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Pirsig explores the meaning and concept of "quality"; a
term he conceives as undefinable. Quality is a phenomenon that exists between the subject and the object.
The perception of a painting, for example, requires both an observer and an object.

His thesis is that to truly experience quality one must both embrace and apply it as best fits the
requirements of the situation. According to Pirsig, such an approach would avoid a great
deal of frustration and dissatisfaction common to modern life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance

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Zen in the Art of Writing (1973) by Ray Bradbury
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Writing

what it means to write and be a writer from the author of, most famously, Fahrenheit 451.

It collects a number of Bradbury’s essays and poems written over a period of
30 years and touches on why he became a writer, where he finds his ideas,
the process of writing some of his books and, more generally, the joys of writing.

And that's what's so refreshing – his playful and boisterous approach.
He writes about the pleasures of writing, rather than treating it like a hard slog, and he never takes himself too seriously:

Hot today, cool tomorrow. This afternoon, burn down the house. Tomorrow,
pour cold critical water on the simmering coals. Time enough to think and cut and
rewrite tomorrow. But today – explode – fly apart – disintegrate! The other six or
seven drafts are going to be pure torture. So why not enjoy the first draft, in the hope that your joy will seek and find others in the world who, reading your story, will catch fire, too?

But that’s not to say he doesn't have some wise words. Quite the opposite.
he above quotation shows you don't have to be entirely serious to offer good writing advice.

Here's a selection of his best bits.

Bradbury's wisdom

‘if you are writing without zest, without gusto, without love, without fun, you are only half a writer […]

For the first thing a writer should be is – excited. He should be a thing of fevers and enthusiasms.’
‘in order to convince your reader that he is there, you must assault each of his senses’
‘From an ever-roaming curiosity in all the arts, from bad radio to good theatre, from nursery rhyme to symphony, from jungle compound to Kafka’s Castle, there is basic excellence to be winnowed out, truths found, kept, savoured, and used on some later day.’

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‘By living well, by observing as you live, by reading well and observing as you read, you have fed Your Most Original Self.

By training yourself in writing, by repetitious exercise, imitation, good example, you have made a clean, well-lighted place to keep the Muse […] through training, you have relaxed yourself enough not to stare discourteously when inspiration comes into the room.’
‘I came on the old and best ways of writing through ignorance and experiment […] I blundered into creativity’
‘I’ve tried to teach my writing friends that there are two arts: number one, getting a thing done;
and then, the second great art is learning how to cut it so you don't kill it or hurt it in any way.

When you start out life as a writer, you hate that job, but now that I’m older it’s turned into a wonderful game,
and I love the challenge just as much as writing the original, because it’s a challenge. It’s an intellectual challenge to get a scalpel and cut the patient without killing.’
‘As soon as things get difficult, I walk away. That’s the great secret of creativity. You treat ideas like cats: you make them follow you.’
‘Quantity gives experience. From experience alone can quality come.’

‘His [the writer’s] greatest art will often be what he does not say, what he leaves out, his ability to state simply with clear emotion, the way he wants to go.’
‘Work, giving us experience, results in new confidence and eventually relaxation […] Suddenly, a natural rhythm is achieved. The body thinks for itself.’
‘if one works, one finally relaxes and stops thinking. True creation occurs then and only then.’
Zen in the Art of Archery
The last couple of quotations betray the main inspiration of the book: German professor Eugen Herrigel's Zen in the Art of Archery, which was responsible for bringing Zen to Europe after World War II.

The chief lesson in both books is that if you practise something enough it becomes effortless and unconscious; you enter a flow state.

You need to go to Zen for the answer to your problems. Zen, like all philosophies, followed but in the tracks of men who learned from instinct what was good for them. Every wood-turner, every sculptor worth his marble, and ballerina, practices what Zen preaches without having heard the word in all their lives.

The verdict
If you like Ray Bradbury's writing and you're looking to be inspired, this makes for an excellent read. He writes with an infectious energy that you can't help but catch, which is a welcome change from the grave tone of many 'how to' writing books.

https://www.articulatemarketing.com/blog/bradbury-zen-in-art-of-writing-review
 
"mindfulness" is knowing who you are, where you are, and what time it is. if a person is wrong about any of these things; they are "unconscious". they know not who they are, where they are , and what time it is. the leftist gyro compass causes this death spiral to hell.

Typical millennial, lost w/out his phone or apple watch.:palm: :)
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"mindfulness" is knowing who you are, where you are, and what time it is. if a person is wrong about any of these things; they are "unconscious". they know not who they are, where they are , and what time it is. the leftist gyro compass causes this death spiral to hell.
yes. but it's also tuning out the noise and staying focused, or tuning out the focus all together for a state of awakening thru meditation
 
Gomer. Will Dukkha listen to these Eternal Truths that you lay at his feet, Paid for by The Savior. Or, will he embrace Satan?
(You may have been Sent by God to bring Dukkha back into the Fold. You, as The Messenger, have been tasked with a Burden, ... Saving Dukkha from the Everlasting Fires of Hell!)

Godspeed Gomer.





my testimonies always pertain to reality according to the precious truths revealed by The Father to his family in the love letter to His family. from scriptures [old testament/ new covenant revelation / kjv last best translation] a person may know exactly who they are, where they are, and what time it is. it is good. it is good. any and all meditation, worship/ good works etc. which is outside of the Holy Spirit is self spirited vanity. that which is not of faith is sin and there is only one "faith" which is given to all for the purpose of reconnecting to the Holy Spirit of The Lord Jesus Christ. I am espoused to Christ and I strive to remain faithful to Him only. it is good. it is good.
 
my testimonies always pertain to reality according to the precious truths revealed by The Father to his family in the love letter to His family. from scriptures [old testament/ new covenant revelation / kjv last best translation] a person may know exactly who they are, where they are, and what time it is. it is good. it is good. any and all meditation, worship/ good works etc. which is outside of the Holy Spirit is self spirited vanity. that which is not of faith is sin and there is only one "faith" which is given to all for the purpose of reconnecting to the Holy Spirit of The Lord Jesus Christ. I am espoused to Christ and I strive to remain faithful to Him only. it is good. it is good.

If you were a monk or a priest ---I'd call you Padre.

Here is the family for the glory of Rome:

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otherwise you're just a ordinary Gomer


errata:
otoh serendipitous samsara felicitations
"Once a Jesuit, always a Jesuit"
 
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Gomer. Will Dukkha listen to these Eternal Truths that you lay at his feet, Paid for by The Savior. Or, will he embrace Satan?
(You may have been Sent by God to bring Dukkha back into the Fold. You, as The Messenger, have been tasked with a Burden, ... Saving Dukkha from the Everlasting Fires of Hell!)

Godspeed Gomer.
lol.. that was really good Jack,you have a twisted sense of humor - i like it
 
You are Very Enlightened. With Your Guidance, I think Dukkha can be Salvaged from Eternal Damnation. You may have been Selected as one of the Chosen Ones. (if only Dukkha will Listen to The Word)
Many Christians keep the belief in salvation but use the ethics of Buddhism as a guide to living
 
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