Dunn trial begins in Florida

Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pounding Zimmerman’s head into the concrete.


If so, Zimmerman had no ability to retreat.


Under the prosecution’s theory, Zimmerman attacked Martin, and thus was not acting in self-defense.


Thus, the Stand Your Ground rule was also legally irrelevant to the Zimmerman case.






http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/17/stand-your-ground-had-nothing-to-do-with-the-dunn-verdict-in-florida/
 
Zimmerman claimed that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pounding Zimmerman’s head into the concrete.


If so, Zimmerman had no ability to retreat.


Under the prosecution’s theory, Zimmerman attacked Martin, and thus was not acting in self-defense.


Thus, the Stand Your Ground rule was also legally irrelevant to the Zimmerman case.






http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/17/stand-your-ground-had-nothing-to-do-with-the-dunn-verdict-in-florida/

You keep trying to avoid all the information prior to the confrontation...and you fail because the chronology of the posts won't let you get away with it.

Zimmerman DID NOT HAVE TO PURSUE MARTIN AFTER HE REPORTED HIM TO THE COPS, MARTIN CAME UP TO HIS CAR WINDOW AND THEN RAN AWAY. That's why the dispatch asked was he STILL following him, and subsequently told him it wasn't necessary.

GZ initiated a chain of events by continuing pursuit. He then lied about various aspects where the confrontation took place. And the jury wasn't clear on how "stand your ground" was relevant to the case or guidelines pertaining to what exact type of crime level they were ruling on.

But you'll ignore that information I previously provided, because it doesn't fit your narrative or belief system. Carry on.
 
opinion, supposition and conjecture ?

You talk about GZ initiating a chain of events that need not have happened. One could easily say TM started that chain of events...
by coming to 'check GZ out' or by running away......

Stop and think, einstein! GZ was originally tailing Martin IN HIS CAR! READ THE DAMNED TRANSCRIPT! As it came out in the trial, this is why Martin called his girlfriend to tell her that some "creepy cracka" was following him!

Of course GZ the "cracka" was tailing him...he called the cops and admitted that in the 911 call, so wtf is you point?...the kid could have simply went on his merry way gone home and gone to bed....

GZ not being a cop ?....Not an official member of the watch ?...irrelevant

Only to willfully ignorant, knee jerk bigots like yourself. Had GZ NOT decided to play cop, NONE of this would had happened. Remember, "we don't need you to do that".

Playing cop ?...opinion, supposition and conjecture, totally manufactured bs from you...

If he was so scared of Martin ?....obviously he wasn't scared at that point (before being attacked) or he wouldn't have tried to follow him

See above response.

GZ called the police...

if he thought Martin was armed in some way? .....opinion, conjecture

No stupid, FACT! READ THE DAMNED TRANSCRIPT....GZ SPECULATED THAT MARTIN MAY HAVE BEEN ARMED!


GZ never said Martin was armed...he did say he had something in his hands so you conclusion is just more conjecture

GZ acted as if his gun gave him the right to play cops & robbers ....more opinion and conjecture

Again, your stupidity shows.....GZ originally speculated that Martin may have been armed. So why, after he talks to the cops and Martin runs away, does he pursue? What was he thinking?
No stupid, NOT FACT! LISTEN TO THE DAMNED 911 CALL !

and here some more opinion, TM could have disappeared easily in that neighborhood...he could have gone to the apartment he was staying in and called the cops, etc.

TM called his girlfriend to tell her he was being tailed by some "creepy cracka". GZ PURSUED HIM AFTER BEING SPOTTED IN HIS CAR. Had GZ NOT pursued TM, he would have "disappeared". Your supposition and conjecture are no substitute for the FACTS.

Had Martin gone to his residence, a few houses away, this would not have happened...fact is, he didn't, he came back to confront GZ and the was beating him as the evidence shows.

So from another perspective, you're guilty of the same things you accuse others of .....

Only if one doesn't read the full transcript and blathers supposition and conjecture as a substitute for FACTS as you do.

You just can't or wont' recognize your own supposition and conjecture in your conclusions....

An unfortunate event but the jury heard the testimony, saw the evidence and rendered a verdict....time to let it go....



Martin’s shooting occurred only 35 yards from where Zimmerman’s truck was parked, and only 70 yards from Brandy Green’s townhouse . It would only take Trayvon around 30 seconds to jog that distance, less if he actually ran....

Had Martin jogged straight to Brandy Green’s when George Zimmerman first reported him running at 7:11:42, he would have been there by 7:12:12. Considerably before Zimmerman (finished) giving police directions to the complex....
7:13:41pm: Zimmerman’s phone call with dispatch ends..


Proven by 911 time-line and Martin's cell phone call time....

Nova has got to be one of the dumbest SOB's on these boards. This one response tells the tale:

No stupid, FACT! READ THE DAMNED TRANSCRIPT....GZ SPECULATED THAT MARTIN MAY HAVE BEEN ARMED!


GZ never said Martin was armed...he did say he had something in his hands so you conclusion is just more conjecture


Here's what got our intellectually impotent Nova all a twitter: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...trial-begins-in-Florida&p=1446737#post1446737

Obviously, Nova is clueless as to the definition of the word "speculation"....hence his moronic reply. The rest of his babbling is in the same vein....Nova just isn't that bright, but he's proud of his insipid stubbornness and willful ignorance regarding this event.

So having exposed the brilliant stupidity of the teabagger/neocon angst regarding the Zimmerman trial AND their subsequent silence over the Dunn verdict, I leave Nova to squawk his nonsense ad nauseum.
 
You keep trying to avoid all the information prior to the confrontation...and you fail because the chronology of the posts won't let you get away with it.

Zimmerman DID NOT HAVE TO PURSUE MARTIN AFTER HE REPORTED HIM TO THE COPS, MARTIN CAME UP TO HIS CAR WINDOW AND THEN RAN AWAY. That's why the dispatch asked was he STILL following him, and subsequently told him it wasn't necessary.

GZ initiated a chain of events by continuing pursuit. He then lied about various aspects where the confrontation took place. And the jury wasn't clear on how "stand your ground" was relevant to the case or guidelines pertaining to what exact type of crime level they were ruling on.

But you'll ignore that information I previously provided, because it doesn't fit your narrative or belief system. Carry on.

I saw no reason to address the rest of your post, since you've decided to lie and say that the "...dispatch asked was he STILL following him..."

Let everyone know when you make the conscious decision to be honest. :)
 
I saw no reason to address the rest of your post, since you've decided to lie and say that the "...dispatch asked was he STILL following him..."

Let everyone know when you make the conscious decision to be honest. :)

Bawahahaha, if that were the criteria you would have been done debating here a long time ago. You are too funny.
 
again... what goes around comes around.... GZ got off... Dunn didn't. GZ would have made a lovely prison bride, now Dunn will make an even lovelier one, and his husband(s) will have the chance to fantasize about GZ during their moments of intimacy. I'll bet those jail house phone recordings and letters might actually help set the mood for those moments!
 
again... what goes around comes around.... GZ got off... Dunn didn't. GZ would have made a lovely prison bride, now Dunn will make an even lovelier one, and his husband(s) will have the chance to fantasize about GZ during their moments of intimacy. I'll bet those jail house phone recordings and letters might actually help set the mood for those moments!

Was this what you were facing, when you were thrown out of your church and had to flee to Mexico?
 
again... what goes around comes around.... GZ got off... Dunn didn't. GZ would have made a lovely prison bride, now Dunn will make an even lovelier one, and his husband(s) will have the chance to fantasize about GZ during their moments of intimacy. I'll bet those jail house phone recordings and letters might actually help set the mood for those moments!

The two cases weren't remotely similar shit-for-brains. But thank you for again removing any doubt what a dunce you are.
 
The two cases weren't remotely similar shit-for-brains. But thank you for again removing any doubt what a dunce you are.

not "REMOTELY" similar?

really?

unarmed black kid is killed by white guy with a gun..... I sense a degree of remote similarity there.

I understand that the jury acquitted GZ... I didn't agree, but I wasn't there... I didn't hear all the testimony... I didn't deliberate in the jury room with them... he got off...

so did OJ....

shit happens.

Dunn killed an unarmed black kid and tried to kill three others... he wasn't as lucky as GZ... I wasn't in the jury room for this one either....

but I'll wager that the brothers in prison are not going to make a real distinction between the crime that GZ was let go for and the one that Dunn will serve his sentence in close proximity with them for.... do you?

:lol:
 

he really is... I spent two wonderful years in the pulpit of my church as its interim minister... about a year longer than expected at the beginning... while the church sought its new settled pastor. They found her... I left the pulpit and returned to the choir loft and then, more than a year after my ministry had ended, our daughter graduated from college, which was our agreed upon signal to get ready to move to Mexico... we sold our home and the day we closed, we drove away. I miss my church, but life in Mexico is worth it.
 
not "REMOTELY" similar?

really?

unarmed black kid is killed by white guy with a gun..... I sense a degree of remote similarity there.

I understand that the jury acquitted GZ... I didn't agree, but I wasn't there... I didn't hear all the testimony... I didn't deliberate in the jury room with them... he got off...

so did OJ....

shit happens.

Dunn killed an unarmed black kid and tried to kill three others... he wasn't as lucky as GZ... I wasn't in the jury room for this one either....

but I'll wager that the brothers in prison are not going to make a real distinction between the crime that GZ was let go for and the one that Dunn will serve his sentence in close proximity with them for.... do you?

:lol:

And there it is folks.
The liberal call for VENGENCE.
They never wanted justice.
They never wanted proof.
They never wanted facts.
They just want V-E-N-G-E-N-C-E.

First Sun Devil and now Maineman.
I hope Sun Devil takes solace in the fact that a lying gun smuggling criminal agrees with him.
 
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