E-bike fires killed 19 people

T. A. Gardner said:
The CPSC is full of shit half the time. They frequently make calls that are asininely insane. Your appeal to authority is meaningless.

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Yes, agencies like the CPSC have a purpose, but when they operate on a 'zero tolerance' principle--like the CPSC usually does--insanity ensues.
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You are such a clown and so stupid.

So data from an agency you do not like is not to be trusted but data you do like, is good to cite and be trusted.

You honestly could not be more dishonest in how you cherry pick stuff.

Shall i present to you all the fires and fire risk caused by ICE engines which are FAR worse than EV's so you can spin and deny it that too?
 
QP! said:
You are such a clown and so stupid.

So data from an agency you do not like is not to be trusted but data you do like, is good to cite and be trusted.

You honestly could not be more dishonest in how you cherry pick stuff.

Shall i present to you all the fires and fire risk caused by ICE engines which are FAR worse than EV's so you can spin and deny it that too?
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yes. we want the ice stats.

go get it, fetch and step.
 
FastLane said:
There are a WHOLE LOT more cars in the country.
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And that is a problem because by percent and not just volume they are FAR more likely to catch fire.

AI Summary:

Internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are generally more likely to catch fire than electric vehicles (EVs). Data from various sources, including the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and analyses of global reports, consistently shows that ICE vehicles experience a higher frequency of fires per vehicle or per mile traveled compared to EVs. For instance, studies indicate that ICE vehicles can be 20 to 80 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, according to some analyses.


  • Key reasons for higher ICE vehicle fire frequency:
    • Flammable Fuels:
      Gasoline and diesel are highly volatile and contribute significantly to the risk of fires.

      • Lower Fire Rates:
        While EV fires capture headlines, they are statistically much rarer than ICE vehicle fires.

      • ​
In summary, while EV battery fires are a concern that requires specific firefighting protocols, the overall data indicates that ICE vehicles present a greater risk of fire.
 
QP! said:
And that is a problem because by percent and not just volume they are FAR more likely to catch fire.

AI Summary:

Internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are generally more likely to catch fire than electric vehicles (EVs). Data from various sources, including the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and analyses of global reports, consistently shows that ICE vehicles experience a higher frequency of fires per vehicle or per mile traveled compared to EVs. For instance, studies indicate that ICE vehicles can be 20 to 80 times more likely to catch fire than EVs, according to some analyses.


  • Key reasons for higher ICE vehicle fire frequency:
    • Flammable Fuels:
      Gasoline and diesel are highly volatile and contribute significantly to the risk of fires.

      • Lower Fire Rates:
        While EV fires capture headlines, they are statistically much rarer than ICE vehicle fires.

      • ​
In summary, while EV battery fires are a concern that requires specific firefighting protocols, the overall data indicates that ICE vehicles present a greater risk of fire.
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what the stats?

get the study. 60 to 80 times more likely to catch fire?

that's a lie.

AI often lies.

get the "overall data".
 
Matt Dillon said:
Oh no, we need to tap into oil and make batteries. America needs more refineries.
I'm thinking a very small diesel motor powering large electric motors could be doable.
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Electric trucks were competitive with IC engines in the early 20th Century. You can find old books over at archive.org promoting them and and old magazines like Horseless Age running studies on them and ads, etc.

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Top left car was driven from the left hand rear seat. lol
 
EdwinA said:
Electric trucks were competitive with IC engines in the early 20th Century. You can find old books over at archive.org promoting them and and old magazines like Horseless Age running studies on them and ads, etc.

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

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Electric trucks

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I read a great article from this thread. Not even sure how I got here, but that made it worth it.
Probably mason posted it? Nah, it was fuckin' @Guno צְבִי . Whatever. :dunno:

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AUTOMOBILES, THE 1910S from The Saturday Evening Post
Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles


https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americas-skepticism-toward-first-automobiles/
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BartenderElite said:
Saving environment = liberal cause.

Saving environment then bad.
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Redistribution of wealth and government fascism in America by forcing Green Agenda = Democrat actual policy for 4 years. :rolleyes2:
Actually 12 if you count Obama. Where's Solyndra? Where's the taxpayer money they got, hmm?
The uhh.. "Infrastructure Bill" was actually "The Green New Deal" with just a name change. :BKick:
You seem to be fairly politically illiterate and ignorant.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Redistribution of wealth and government fascism in America by forcing Green Agenda = Democrat actual policy for 4 years. :rolleyes2:
Actually 12 if you count Obama. Where's Solyndra? Where's the taxpayer money they got, hmm?
The uhh.. "Infrastructure Bill" was actually "The Green New Deal" with just a name change. :BKick:
You seem to be fairly politically illiterate and ignorant.
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yes.

the government forcing corporations to create certain products and policies is fascist leaning for sure.

they call it "public/Private partnership".
 
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