Electric cars head toward another dead end

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Are electric cars running out of juice again?


Recent moves by Japan's two largest automakers suggest that the electric car, after more than 100 years of development and several brief revivals, still is not ready for prime time - and may never be.


In the meantime, the attention of automotive executives in Asia, Europe and North America is beginning to swing toward an unusual but promising new alternate power source: hydrogen.


The reality is that consumers continue to show little interest in electric vehicles, or EVs, which dominated U.S. streets in the first decade of the 20th century before being displaced by gasoline-powered cars.


Despite the promise of "green" transportation - and despite billions of dollars in investment, most recently by Nissan Motor Co - EVs continue to be plagued by many of the problems that eventually scuttled electrics in the 1910s and more recently in the 1990s. Those include high cost, short driving range and lack of charging stations.


The public's lack of appetite for battery-powered cars persuaded the Obama administration last week to back away from its aggressive goal to put 1 million electric cars on U.S. roads by 2015.


The tepid response to EVs also pushed Nissan's high-profile chief executive, Carlos Ghosn, perhaps the industry's most outspoken proponent of battery cars, to announce in December a major strategic shift toward more mainstream gasoline-electric hybrids, which overcome many of the shortcomings of pure EVs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-autos-electric-hydrogen-idUSBRE91304Z20130204

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Another failed idea that Obama backed and pissed away our tax dollars on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cXY6CNumKG4#!
 
Yet in post 5? You think a Volt is a pure electric?

The Volt is radically different than any on the road today. Although agreement about definitions vary, GM does not consider it a hybrid. Current hybrids cars, such as the Prius, are defined as parallel hybrids, meaning they have a small electric motor that moves the car when it is going slowly, but when speed or acceleration increases, a gasoline motor kicks in. The Volt, however, is considered an extended-range electric vehicle (E-REV). It has a very powerful all-electric 161-horsepower 45KW (100 KW peak) motor that powers the car at all times. This motor capable of moving the car from 0 to 60 in under 9 seconds, and has a top speed of at least 100 mph.

The electric engine gets its power from a very powerful high-voltage battery pack that can store enough energy to drive the car up to 40 miles in standard driving conditions. That battery pack is recharged by plugging the car into your home 110 (or 220) volt wall outlet, just like you do your iPod or cell phone. The full-charge cycle takes about 10 hours (4 hours at 220). Yes, this will increase your electric bill, but you will charge the car overnight when rates are lower. Much more importantly, you will need NO GASOLINE for drives from 25 to 50 miles. So, if gas prices continue to go through the roof, you really won’t care. In most areas, your electricity costs should amount to a gas equivalent price of 50 cents per gallon. Studies suggest that 78% of drivers drive less than 40 miles per day.

Another very important feature of the Volt, and the reason some people (not GM) still consider it a hybrid, is that it will still have an on-board gasoline combustion engine. Only in the Volt, this engine is the smaller one, and has only one task, it produces electricity for the motor when the stored power gets low. The engine is not connected to the wheels, it is only a generator. The brilliance of this feature is that you will have an overall driving range of nearly 400 miles. The efficiency of this engine amounts to up to 37mpg. The old EV-1 did not have this function.

http://gm-volt.com/about/
 
Tom, you're the one that brought up the Volt. It appears to me that Rune is correct to point that out.
 
The all-electric vehicle is here and now and will be the future of personal and public transportation. The technology grows by leaps and bounds, thanks to people like NASA, and the vehicles are just so much more efficient and easy to maintain. In another decade or so I expect very few new gas and diesel burners on the roads. They become more dinosaur-like every day.
 
Sure, for $72,000 it is a steal for poor folk. It is awesome that the gobblement is subsidizing cars for rich folks with complexes

The lowest end Tesla, still an extraordinarily nice vehicle, sells for about $50,000. Take the direct $7,500 tax credit and the final cost is about $42,500. Many gas burners cost far more than that. Have you priced a Cadillac, Buick Lucerne or a Ford Expedition lately?
 
The all-electric vehicle is here and now and will be the future of personal and public transportation. The technology grows by leaps and bounds, thanks to people like NASA, and the vehicles are just so much more efficient and easy to maintain. In another decade or so I expect very few new gas and diesel burners on the roads. They become more dinosaur-like every day.

Not a chance. Without the subsidies the electric car would be dead. Also that electricity has to come from somewhere.

And how is the battery to replace? What about disposal.

People just aren't that interested.
 
The lowest end Tesla, still an extraordinarily nice vehicle, sells for about $50,000. Take the direct $7,500 tax credit and the final cost is about $42,500. Many gas burners cost far more than that. Have you priced a Cadillac, Buick Lucerne or a Ford Expedition lately?

Oh so this should fit nicely into a poor persons budget right? Cool
 
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