End partisan politics

I love posts like this.

I asked you specifically what aspects of your right-wing apologism you wanted to discuss, and you didn't say. The offer still stands....

dishonest red herring...the issues that are real are in this thread for you to discuss...instead you want to make up false issues that are nothing but ad hom

no doubt i am like totally apologizing for the gop in this thread...

now, using onceler logic, i won't debate onceler until he specifically addresses why he wants to have obama's love child....the offer the still stands

wimp
 
Yea, so was that Fox news contributor I saw as i was flipping channels last night after my sons school Christmas play (which contained refrences to baby Jesus, BTW) and before I went to bed. I thought to myself, what an idiot this guy is. I think it was on the O'Reilly factor and this guy wanted to make a serious point that Amercians should be concerned about the language Obama used. Give me a break. It is how politics works.....or used to, when people from both sides of the aisle compromised to get something done, then talk about the positives and negatives of what was accomplished later. That's all Obama was doing. Should he have used a different metaphor? Probably so, but anyone with half a brain could tell what was going on.

"holding the american people hostage"

terrorists hold people hostage, criminals hold people hostage....do you really think the gop was holding the american people hostage? and why is it NOW that the dems don't support obama's agreement with the gop....is obama not saying the dems are holding the american people hostage?
 
Yea, so was that Fox news contributor I saw as i was flipping channels last night after my sons school Christmas play (which contained refrences to baby Jesus, BTW) and before I went to bed. I thought to myself, what an idiot this guy is. I think it was on the O'Reilly factor and this guy wanted to make a serious point that Amercians should be concerned about the language Obama used. Give me a break. It is how politics works.....or used to, when people from both sides of the aisle compromised to get something done, then talk about the positives and negatives of what was accomplished later. That's all Obama was doing. Should he have used a different metaphor? Probably so, but anyone with half a brain could tell what was going on.

It's the times; people have really lost sight of what it's all supposed to be about. It's more about winning some ill-defined competition than actually improving the country.

I'm glad there was a reference to baby Jesus in your son's play. That's another one that has gone completely crackers in my area.
 
"holding the american people hostage"

terrorists hold people hostage, criminals hold people hostage....do you really think the gop was holding the american people hostage? and why is it NOW that the dems don't support obama's agreement with the gop....is obama not saying the dems are holding the american people hostage?

Yurt, conservatives could turn around and say the same thing. Conservatives think that extending the current tax rate and making it known will spur business and created jobs. I tend to think and hope that they are right otherwise I could care less that some millionares pay less taxes. For that reason the conservatives could very well say the same thing about the liberals blocking the extension that Obama said about the conservatives. Notice in my post that I said Obama probably should have used a different metaphor. But in today's political world if we keep keying in on poorly used metaphors so much that we fail to look at the overall picture of what is happening we are spinning our wheels.
 
Yurt, conservatives could turn around and say the same thing. Conservatives think that extending the current tax rate and making it known will spur business and created jobs. I tend to think and hope that they are right otherwise I could care less that some millionares pay less taxes. For that reason the conservatives could very well say the same thing about the liberals blocking the extension that Obama said about the conservatives. Notice in my post that I said Obama probably should have used a different metaphor. But in today's political world if we keep keying in on poorly used metaphors so much that we fail to look at the overall picture of what is happening we are spinning our wheels.

yes they could and it still wouldn't make it right

obama has upped the rhetoric despite claiming he wants an end to partsian bickering and rhetoric....

why do you think obama is not saying the dems are holding the american people hostage because they won't agree to the deal?
 
It's the times; people have really lost sight of what it's all supposed to be about. It's more about winning some ill-defined competition than actually improving the country.

I'm glad there was a reference to baby Jesus in your son's play. That's another one that has gone completely crackers in my area.


People disagree about stuff and think their ideas are better than the ideas of other people. That's pretty much the way it has been for as long as I remember. And there's nothing wrong with that.
 
People disagree about stuff and think their ideas are better than the ideas of other people. That's pretty much the way it has been for as long as I remember. And there's nothing wrong with that.

thats great...i didn't realize anyone said there was

thanks for that input nigel...in other news, the sun came up today and there's nothing wrong with that
 
People disagree about stuff and think their ideas are better than the ideas of other people. That's pretty much the way it has been for as long as I remember. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Seriously? You don't see any change over the past 10-15 years?

Man, when I look back at the '80's, it was really a completely different animal. Yes, there was still partisanship and some of the BS we see now, but it wasn't a way of life, and more often than not, politicians could set aside the need for a political victory when they knew they could get something accomplished.

The tone has completely changed; everyone is in on it now, and it's more about gamesmanship than anything else. The advent of both talk radio & the glut of cable political shows has fueled it, imo, but I don't think there is any doubt that it's changed.
 
yes they could and it still wouldn't make it right

obama has upped the rhetoric despite claiming he wants an end to partsian bickering and rhetoric....

why do you think obama is not saying the dems are holding the american people hostage because they won't agree to the deal?

I suppose because he is a democrat and you don't poop where you eat (at least we don't in Oklahoma)....just guessing though. ;)
 
thats great...i didn't realize anyone said there was

thanks for that input nigel...in other news, the sun came up today and there's nothing wrong with that


Well with all this hard-wringing about partisanship and the desire for bi-partisanship as the ultimate goal in and of itself it sometimes gets lost that (1) we have political parties for a reason (2) that these political parties have different ideas about what is best and (3) that a little from column A and a little from column B is not always the best result and frequently is worse than either.
 
notice how onceler is afraid to engage me in actual discussion or debate, but, when he thinks his point is right....he will actually engage in discussion

:)
 
notice how onceler is afraid to engage me in actual discussion or debate, but, when he thinks his point is right....he will actually engage in discussion

:)

There you go with the "fear factor" thing again. Do you genuinely think I'm afraid to engage with hardcore partisans?

Again - and really, this is the last time I make the offer - please let me know what aspect of your blind devotion to party you'd care to discuss. I'm ready....
 
Well with all this hard-wringing about partisanship and the desire for bi-partisanship as the ultimate goal in and of itself it sometimes gets lost that (1) we have political parties for a reason (2) that these political parties have different ideas about what is best and (3) that a little from column A and a little from column B is not always the best result and frequently is worse than either.

i'm not saying all partishanship is bad, in fact, it is part of what makes this country strong...

however, how far do we take the rhetoric? obama repeatedly called on people to "tone down" the political rhetoric, yet, he is constantly upping the rhetoric when it comes to republicans

the gop has agreed to the UB extensions, the american people now can have the UB another year....but....the dems now won't agree to it because they aren't getting their way with bush's tax cuts...---> using onceler's and obama's logic, the dems are now holding the american people hostage

but you won't find those two partisan hacks saying the same thing about dems....don't you find that intellectually dishonest?
 
There you go with the "fear factor" thing again. Do you genuinely think I'm afraid to engage with hardcore partisans?

Again - and really, this is the last time I make the offer - please let me know what aspect of your blind devotion to party you'd care to discuss. I'm ready....

keep up the dishonesty onceler....so my stance in this thread is apologizing for the pubs....LOL...why do you lie when the facts are right there

when you want to discuss why you dress in women's clothing and want obama's love child, i'm ready :rolleyes:

i have no time for your petty tripe

either put or shut up
 
Oh, well; can't say I didn't give it a shot....

i figured...to much of a coward to discuss real issues with me....yet its clear when you think you're right you will discuss issues...but when its tough...you always resort to ad homs and lies

its easier for you to want to debate imaginary issues than real ones...you started off well in the thread, then when you realized your position lacked merit, you resorted to your typical lies and ad homs....yeah onceler...my position in thread is all about apologizing for the pubs...i'm sure dixie is singing your tune
 
so obama is a partisan tool....:)

so much for his proclamation of toning down partisan politics

To the extent that he won't use the terrorist metaphor about his own party...ok, I'll concede that. The same idea could apply. But he is no more a partisan tool than John "chicken crap" Boener....or about any other out in front republican you can name. They all use bad metaphors to make the other side look bad. I like to look at the overall picture of what is going on. I am with Lorax here...it ain't like it was in the 80's. The rhetoric, the partisanship and all the bad stuff that politics is....it's a whole lot worse. Until we get beyond that nothing is going to change for the better.
 
Because you're buying into the stupidity of the rhetoric, like the clueless dumbass you are. Those who make over $1 million per year, are the ones who create jobs paying $40k per year. Either you comprehend and understand how the people with high incomes create jobs and economic growth, or you don't. If you do understand this, it doesn't matter if the person in question is making $250k or $1 million, the same fundamental principle applies. If you don't understand, then it makes no difference, we should have raised everyone's taxes. You're the low hanging fruit, Yurt... the fool half-wit the left knows it can eventually sway by repeating the class warfare rhetoric enough... eventually, you are the one who caves, the weak link, the one who says...meh, yeah, I guess we could raise taxes on millionaires... I guess maybe they don't really need all that money... Once you've sold out your principles, what do you have left? You've admitted the left is right, that we should increase taxation on the wealthy.

hey dixie....onceler says i'm apologizing for the pubs....perhaps you ought to rethink your argument here

:D
 
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