Dixie - In Memoriam
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"To any great degree"? Any "degree" above zero is too much. "Petty inconveniences" Tell that to those whose civil rights are tossed under the "terrorism" mantra.
If we give up who we are (ie: our very own Constitution) in order to wage this war, then WHAT HAVE WE WON? Nothing, except a new despotic tyranny NOT based on radical Islam. Congratulations. Pick up your boobie prize at the suckers window. The people who are INSANE are the ones who think government will simply GIVE BACK these unconstitutional powers when the current threat is dealt with.
Giving up our freedoms as guaranteed by the Constitution is NOT an acceptable means of winning this, or any war. Doing such is LOSING the real war while claiming victory over a few battles.
Benjamin Franklin
And as I've told Damo, Ben Franklin would slap the taste out of your mouth for misusing his words in such a way. No one is advocating "giving up our Constitution" and no one is having any fundamental right deprived! We do indeed have restrictions and limitations on our freedoms and liberties, and we always will have, unless you wish to live in a state of total and complete anarchy. Let's just stop with the over-hyped melodramatics and hyperbole about this! There has been NO cases presented successfully to the SCOTUS regarding the "violation of rights" of any individual, resulting from the Patriot Act. This tells me (because I have common fucking billy-goat sense) that there must not be very much of a intrusion on people's Constitutional rights! Yet, here you are, insisting that has been the case since the Patriot Act was passed into law, with an overwhelming margin of support from both parties. I have to wonder how much of a brain you have in your head.
Get off your goddamn high horse, quoting Franklin, and waving around the Constitution like a madman, screaming about the sky falling! We get it! I get it! I fully understand we don't want to trash the Constitution and deprive people of fundamental Constitutional rights! The difference between what I believe and what you believe, is that I don't believe our fundamental rights have been violated or are being violated through the Patriot Act, and you obviously feel differently. It would be good if you had some evidence to support your viewpoint, other than long-winded opinions and conjectures... but maybe that's too much to ask?