ethically (and legally) appropriate application of deadly force

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IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

Only if you claim you were scared. Indy? You too?
 
I live all over, I spend most of my time in Indy. Right now I am on Wright Patt AFB.

Back in the day I used to find these discussions very interesting on firearms forums. After Zimmerman they got so stupid I just quit hanging out on them. This case is a good example. It was widely accepted before Zimmerman it was not ethically appropriate for responsible gun owners (and illegal) to intentionally put myself in a situation that I had to kill someone.
Only if you claim you were scared. Indy? You too?
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?
I'm not a lawyer, but you probably want to leave the Prius at home. It may give off the impression that you're trying to bait the perps.
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

"Death Wish (1974 film)"
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"Death Wish is a 1974 American vigilante action film, loosely based on the 1972 novel of the same title by Brian Garfield. The film was directed by Michael Winner and stars Charles Bronson as Paul Kersey, an architect who becomes a vigilante after his wife is murdered and his daughter sexually assaulted during a home invasion. It was the first of the Death Wish film franchise."

"At the time of release, the film was attacked by many film critics due to its support of vigilantism and advocating unlimited punishment of criminals.[4] The novel denounced vigilantism, whereas the film embraced the notion. The film was a commercial success and resonated with the public in the United States, which was facing increasing crime rates during the 1970s.[5]"

I can tell ... you LOVED this Movie.
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

Shouldn't you expect to have the same freedoms of expression anywhere in America? ... good or bad neighborhoods?

On a related note. There was the case of the guy who left a pocketbook as bait in his garage (in a good neighborhood) and ended up shooting the foreign exchange student that tried to steal it. The homeowner was found guilty, IIRC.
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

No.
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

I think Police 'bait' people. They used to have a show on called 'Bait Car', they would park a car with the keys in the ignition and just wait for someone to steal it.
 
As he should have been. I am just trying to make the point deadly force is very very nuanced and if you are going to be a responsible gun owner you really need to think it through. Of course a kid banging your head on the sidewalk could be a very appropriate use of deadly force, but certainly not always. It matters how you got there.
Shouldn't you expect to have the same freedoms of expression anywhere in America? ... good or bad neighborhoods?

On a related note. There was the case of the guy who left a pocketbook as bait in his garage (in a good neighborhood) and ended up shooting the foreign exchange student that tried to steal it. The homeowner was found guilty, IIRC.
 
IF: On Saturday night I get dressed up, put on my Rolex and drive my Prius to near West side Indy or out on the East side in the real bad neighborhoods. Let's say I just walk around the hookers and crackheads, maybe have a $100 bill sticking out of my shirt pocket, completely minding my own buisness. When (not if) someone tries to take the bill and the Rolex I just shoot them. Is that appropriate use of deadly force?

YEP; unless you admit to premeditated behavior, like you just did here.
 
I think Police 'bait' people. They used to have a show on called 'Bait Car', they would park a car with the keys in the ignition and just wait for someone to steal it.

Corporate for profit prisons with corporate for profit convict labor leasing will only promote more of this stuff.
 
I live all over, I spend most of my time in Indy. Right now I am on Wright Patt AFB.

Back in the day I used to find these discussions very interesting on firearms forums. After Zimmerman they got so stupid I just quit hanging out on them. This case is a good example. It was widely accepted before Zimmerman it was not ethically appropriate for responsible gun owners (and illegal) to intentionally put myself in a situation that I had to kill someone.

You seem to be suggesting that he asked Trayvon to assault him and then pound his skull on the sidewalk!! :dunno:
 
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