Explaining women in combat arms

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I expect there are women out there who would put a bullet in the crotch of a Marine who tendered unwanted sexual advances and still be willing to drag his ass to a corpsman so he could get medical attention.......

I must admit you have surprised me with your responses, so tell me how many women do you know could carry or drag a 170 pound deadweight over several hundred yards? Apparently Howey says that it doesn't matter as the infantry are just cannon fodder anyway.

 

[Phantasmal]

Reminds me of Sen. Boxer, I think it was, that demanded some male General address her as 'senator' and not Ma'am....lol

EVERY soldier is taught from day one, to address a female officer as Ma'am as a show of respect....pinhead Boxer thought otherwise.

Same old shait, different day! Popeyes, you are getting old you repeat the same stories over and over.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Aren't there pics of scantily clad women posted on this forum?

which reminds me...why doesn't this thread have more pictures of scantily clad women?......

 

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She must have some really embarrassing info on him, there is no other explanation.

or he is really into fat ugly women..he is in his late twenties, single, living at home......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I must admit you have surprised me with your responses, so tell me how many women do you know could carry or drag a 170 pound deadweight over several hundred yards? Apparently Howey says that it doesn't matter as the infantry are just cannon fodder anyway.

personally?.....none.....but then I don't know many guys personally who could either.....do they exist?....

 

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Wait. Are we speaking about women in combat or in a domestic situation? Assuming none of you would be silly enough to equate women (or men) in a combat situation using their hands to engage an opponent, I assumed you were speaking about a domestic situation.

In that regard, should you hit your wife? Still, no. Shield yourself, protect yourself, get away from her...If you're being attacked by a crazed robber? Of course, there's different rules. I just don't see that happening a lot...

Point is, I've never heard of a story of a woman beating her husband to death with her bare hands, so it's pretty rare. I'm confident there are, however, news accounts of men beating their wifes to death with their bare hands.





The Stand Your Ground Law here in Florida is on it's way out. The most recent case of it, used by a woman, was denied. Why? Because she was being abused by her husband. The Fl SYG law, in an incredible display of lack of compassion for women, exempts those situations.

Who the fuck is talking about beating somebody to death? What is far more likely is that a man is beaten by a woman and is terrified to strike back because the authorities almost always take her side and prosecute the man without any evidence. I can't speak for the US but it happens a lot over here, so much so that there is a soap plot running on Coronation Street, the number one soap in the UK, right now about a woman beating up her husband. Apparently we are more liberated over here and realise that women are not all angels. maybe you to wake up and smell the tea leaves??

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s...ie-gumede-kirsty-tyrone-plot-gets-brutal.html

 

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personally?.....none.....but then I don't know many guys personally who could either.....do they exist?....

See post #203

Late in June, 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C., will participate in three physical testing events:

• A replica 40mm Mark-19 machine-gun lift, in which a Marine lifts a 72-pound weapon over his or her head while wearing a 71-pound combat load.

• A casualty evacuation, in which a Marine drags a 165-pound mannequin wearing a 43-pound combat load while wearing a 43-pound load of his own.

• A “march under load,” in which Marines carry a 71-pound combat load 20 kilometers in less than five hours.

Infantry units do this all the time. This is all they really do. They hump around, go to the field, and practice fighting wars. They come back for a few days, rest, clean weapons and gear and they go do it again.... for years. They are trained to be the individuals that are tasked with taking territory and holding it. They train to do this as combined arms units with support for the other combat arm mos's of artillery and tanks. They train with the support of air assets... and the rest of the training for the remaining Marine Corps is in logistics (how to supply these infantry units while on the move).

There is nothing "normal" about this. The infantry is the primary focus of the Marine Corps. Everything that everyone else does is to support the infantry. The physical standards and regular training regiment of these units is grueling and it never stops. You will always find that the small unit leaders within the infantry community are all the top performers in regards to these physical activities, in most cases the officers are the top performers. The Marine Corps is very focused on physical ability, physical performance on these tests factor into promotions and thus the advancement of careers.

As difficult as this is for infantryman, the physical standards for the special forces are even more intense. This is to include MARSOC, SEALS, RANGERS, DELTA...

 

[Phantasmal]

Of course its my reality. Its also my responsibility.

There is not "plenty" of men who outrank me and support women in combat arms.

Again.. and I guess we need to revisit this once more. Combat and combat arms are not the same thing. I support having women in combat. I do not support having women in combat arms. There are going to be significant problems with that, and even the Generals realize this, otherwise theres no need to review how to implement this new policy.

You deciding that I hold no "special expertise" because I disagree with you is unfortunate, especially since I am apart of the service that is talking to you from a first hand account, and will be affected. I guess not serving and not being there and not having done it makes you and I on equal footing right?

We will see, times are a changing.

 

[Howey]

The point was to refute a comment from another poster saying that heterosexual members of the military act in inappropriate ways... of which I clearly "mocked" as entirely not true and way out of reality.

One word: TAILHOOK

Do you know one of the reasons I come onto this board is to find out what PC nonsense there is in the pipeline? The next thing after this will be equality for transgendered personnel and the right to wear mufti when going into battle. Some of those handbags can carry a lot of grenades!! It is also bloody amazing that the same people who want absolute equality in the armed forces do not want them deployed in any circumstances anyway.

Thank you for proving my point.

Your intolerance for anything other than the status quo is noted. I really hate to think your attitude is prevalent among all troops because if it is, it shows a depressing level of ignorance and prejudice. I'd like to think that the people charged with defending this country are better than you portray them.

You can post dozens of articles and videos to try and show women are unfit for certain jobs but you're not fooling the women here, even if some of the men are buying into it. You can do the same for gays but you're not credible there, either.

I may be an idiot about some matters, but sensitivity to the way women are treated both in and out of the military isn't one of them.

He's a Marine. They're the most resistant to change. They've been of the misguided mindset that they're so much better and elite than other soldiers that only their standards are the right ones.

I've dealt with this type over the years. They actually, believe it or not, think that their fellow soldiers in support roles aren't "real" military. It's sad...

Do you admit to the statement in this post or deny it ?
"most women can't qualify for combat arms MOS because they're physically incapable of the demands"

don't you think this is a quite significant issue...?
should standards be lower for the girls like we do when they want to be cops and firefighters ?
will the lower standards endanger the other troops ?

These are legitimate questions and concerns aren't they ?

No, it's not a significant issue, Bravo. It is most likely an archaic issue. People adapt, the services adapt.

This isnt about attitudes and feelings. Thats only important for the dialogue of a movie. This isnt a movie. This is real life. If you feel like im insensitive or blase or not concerned with how feelings are portrayed then thats a good thing. As a member of the "troops", my job isnt to make you feel good about how think things "should be", especially social experiments. Youre better served by understanding that my focus is on making sure that more of those that would do you harm lose their lives than the lives of those who are fighting on your behalf.

Bullshit. What concerns you are mimicking are the same ones historically used against blacks and gays in the military.

 

[Howey]

Well, I haven't seen any polling, but there are some men who outrank you who do. What makes you right and them wrong?

Correct. Like the Commander In Chief, the Secretary of Defense, and the JCS. If he doesn't change his ways, he'll end up being another booted out loser like STY.

 

[SR_]

Yes, women who have experienced combat are speaking up about it. I linked to one right in this thread. WHo cares if they were officially combat troops? Do you think I'm fucking stupid?? Women have not been allowed in combat, why would I be arguing that the women were combat troops? What they are is women who get all of the negatives of being in combat, and none of the positives. Which is what you are arguing for. Everyone knows women are in combat right now and have been for years. They care not permitted to officially be in combat, so they are denied the benefits. It's this simple. Everything else you are saying is a bunch of horseshit.

The Pentagon stated that standards won't be lowered, so your continued whining about no woman passing the tests is irrelevantl. THey will pass or they won't be in combat troops. But some will pass. Many more than you are trying to claim.

And they will eventually rise through the ranks.

MEanwhile the Joint Chief of Staffs made this recommendation to Panetta. But no doubt you are bigger cheese than them as well.

Yes I think you are fucking stupid. No doubt about it.

The Pentagon DID not say standards wont be lowered. They said they have ordered the review of the standards to see if modification is necessary for the successful implementation of integration.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff, of whom NONE except one have ever even dealt with the combat arms community, will do what is asked of them by their civilian leadership. This is not a military operational issue, meaning we arent losing battles and suffering dramatic casualties and thus the Joint Chiefs have decided to remedy a broken situation we should integrate women into combart arms positions. This is ENTIRELY not based on any military necessity or requirement for the successful defense of the nation.

This can only work out 1 of 2 ways:

1. The preferred method is that they keep ALL infantry and some artillery and some armor MOS positions closed to females... which is the antithesis of the intention behind the policy in the first place.
2. They lower the standards so that females can enter these combat arms MOS's in multitudes (as single success stories are still a failure)

Im assuming assuming fucking stupid people such as yourself would be livid if positions remained closed to women because they could not sufficiently succeed due to the physical standards and requirements of the MOS's in question. Could you ever see yourself saying "Well, clearly women are not able to do these jobs and the restriction is warranted."?

 

[PostmodernProphet]

See post #203

why, did post #203 prove there were no women who could do it?.....

 

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We will see, times are a changing.

I remember having conversations, for want of a better word, where the feminists of the day at university were convinced that women would match men in Olympic events before too long. Well that was forty years ago and I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

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Yes I think you are fucking stupid. No doubt about it.

The Pentagon DID not say standards wont be lowered. They said they have ordered the review of the standards to see if modification is necessary for the successful implementation of integration.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff, of whom NONE except one have ever even dealt with the combat arms community, will do what is asked of them by their civilian leadership. This is not a military operational issue, meaning we arent losing battles and suffering dramatic casualties and thus the Joint Chiefs have decided to remedy a broken situation we should integrate women into combart arms positions. This is ENTIRELY not based on any military necessity or requirement for the successful defense of the nation.

This can only work out 1 of 2 ways:

1. The preferred method is that they keep ALL infantry and some artillery and some armor MOS positions closed to females... which is the antithesis of the intention behind the policy in the first place.
2. They lower the standards so that females can enter these combat arms MOS's in multitudes (as single success stories are still a failure)

Im assuming assuming fucking stupid people such as yourself would be livid if positions remained closed to women because they could not sufficiently succeed due to the physical standards and requirements of the MOS's in question. Could you ever see yourself saying "Well, clearly women are not able to do these jobs and the restriction is warranted."?

I just put up three links quoting Paneta and others stating standards would not be lowered, so you're just someone who doesn't live in reality.

I also put up links to women currently serving. The fact is women in the military have been saying for some time now that the Afghan and Iraq wars have put them on the front lines, and their being officially banned from combat duty has prevented them from reaping the rewards of that service. That is discrimination. They are doing the same work men are doing, but are not reaping the same benefits. THat's class-action level discrimination.

And so we take another giant step forward above the din of the neanderthals beating their chests and screaming "no".

Too bad. It is done.

 

[Howey]

Just a quick review.

Right now no women, not one, not one single woman, has ever been able to qualify or meet the standards to do the jobs in combat arms MOS's. ZERO.

And they soon will. Live with it.

While you're here, any comments on this? Are you one of the offenders?

At Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, S.C., female recruits learn to blouse their new camouflage trousers above their combat boots. They learn to low crawl under barbed wire and shoot an M-16. They learn to fight. And, several female Marines told Stars and Stripes, they learn that they must decide which of the three types of Marine women they will be: a slut, a dyke or a bitch.

“You are told that pretty much any contact with male Marines makes you a slut,” said Katie Appeldorn, who served in the Marine Corps from 2006 to 2010. “It is automatically assumed she is sleeping around. Dyke isn’t necessarily a lesbian, but she is thought to be.

“Bitch is what you are told to be. It basically means you don’t give the men around you an inch.”

The DOD and the individual services have spent hundreds of hours over the past decade talking tough about sexual assault and sexual harassment — vowing to hold commanders and attackers responsible and stressing a “zero tolerance” policy. But Appeldorn and other female Marines said they learned early that there is also zero tolerance for women perceived to be “asking for it.”

DOD statistics show that few accused attackers are charged and even fewer are convicted. Of the 2,933 people accused in sexual assault investigations completed by the Defense Department in fiscal 2011, cases against 349 of them were determined by commanders to be “unfounded,” and 486 were outside the DOD’s legal authority because the attacker was a civilian or foreign national, the attacker was unknown, a civilian or foreign law enforcement authority was prosecuting the case or the attacker died or deserted, according to the yearly sexual assault report released by the DOD. Outcomes were still pending for 580.

 

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Correct. Like the Commander In Chief, the Secretary of Defense, and the JCS. If he doesn't change his ways, he'll end up being another booted out loser like STY.

You are a fucking cunt, registering eight on the Palin scale!!

 

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or he is really into fat ugly women..he is in his late twenties, single, living at home......

I'm neither but Grind is young enough to be my son and you have a creepy, dirty mind. Wipe your conscience.

 

[Howey]

I don't recall anybody on here posting pictures of women fellating men and I'm pretty damn sure they would be booted off PDQ if they did. For some reason. which I have never been able to ascertain, you seem to have been afforded special privileges by the mods, maybe they feel sorry for you because your forum is on it's last legs. So excuse me if I kindly ask you to go fuck yourself and take your pathetic accusations with you, I haven't banned you yet but that can be arranged.

Why are you so afraid to see a little dick sucking?

Latent tendencies?

 

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why, did post #203 prove there were no women who could do it?.....

Did you say this?

personally?.....none.....but then I don't know many guys personally who could either.....do they exist?....

 

[Howey]

Who the fuck is talking about beating somebody to death? What is far more likely is that a man is beaten by a woman and is terrified to strike back because the authorities almost always take her side and prosecute the man without any evidence. I can't speak for the US but it happens a lot over here, so much so that there is a soap plot running on Coronation Street, the number one soap in the UK, right now about a woman beating up her husband. Apparently we are more liberated over here and realise that women are not all angels. maybe you to wake up and smell the tea leaves??

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s...ie-gumede-kirsty-tyrone-plot-gets-brutal.html

Oh.

Well if it's on a soap opera in Britain it's gotta be true!!!!