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Jarod said:
She was not threatened or causing any danger to the police officer.

She was driving away. Fleeing, not threatening.

Clearly unjustified shooting.
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But, but, where is all that "due process" bullshit that you are constantly screeching about?
It sounds to me like you are jumping to a conclusion without waiting for all the facts to come out.
Receptionist school didn't offer classes teaching you not to make knee-jerk statements?

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christiefan915 said:
"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it.
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They can arrest you for obstructing ICE which is exactly was Mrs Good was doing.
christiefan915 said:
They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant.
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If someone breaks the law in front of them they can arrest them. They are licensed LEO. Even a game warden car give you a traffic ticket and arrest you for any crime.

christiefan915 said:
On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case.
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Good you admit they do have the legal authority to pull someone over. Your car is not a "safe space" where Federal law enforcement does not have the right to arrest you. If you violate Federal Law while driving your car you absolutely can be arrested. That is exactly what Mrs. Good was doing.
christiefan915 said:
They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens.
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They sure can arrest legal citizens if those citizens try to interfere with ICE operations. And that is EXACTLY what Mes. Good was doing.

christiefan915 said:
They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal.
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They can detain citizens if the try to obstruct justice. Which is what Mrs. Good was doing.
christiefan915 said:
They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT."
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They are law enforcement in uniforms that identify them as ICE . She knew they were law enforcement because she had been following them all day and harassing them by honk horns and using a siren.

Christie you can't make up your own facts. You should watch Nate the Lawyer he is black defense lawyer (not exactly a conservative Bio) and he reviews the relevant laws and looks at the videos and applies what happened to the law. He lets you decide on your own then he finally gives his opinion. He gives an even-handed evaluation of what happened so my guess is that you aren't interested in an honest evaluation of the relevant laws as applied to exactly what happened on the videos.
 
christiefan915 said:
"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT."
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I feel like you are repeating yourself. :thinking:
 
Damocles said:
Now that's BS, even the Mayor notes that he was injured. He says it was "no worse than hitting your hip on the refrigerator" but he certainly recognizes the guy was hit.

It's his job to place himself in danger, he's in law enforcement.

No, her driving her vehicle into people. He puts two more shots to ensure she isn't just turning around and coming back at 90 MPH. She's already demonstrated her willingness to hit law enforcement with her car, leaving her armed and dangerous is not "procedure". If I shot and winged you, barely injured you (like Trump's ear), then ran past you, just because I passed you and was running does not mean you (as a law enforcement agent/officer) would let me go because you were no longer "in danger". That's idiotic.

Not the one you reside in. I tend to stand in reality squarely. I also understand the subjective nature of the idea of the "split second" and the judgement we use which is "what did he believe" not the objective... It's been explained several times. Now, again. It's possible that during the investigation he'll say the gun went off the first time in error and two more times he was covering up the sound of his own poo filling his pants and it won't be justified.. but I doubt that.
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No, stupid fuck. There is ZERO evidence that he was ever hit.

And placing yourself in front of an idling vehicle is unnecessary and stupid dangerous. Not to mention a violation of protocol. Not the regular occupational kind.

To ensure she’s not coming around at 90mph? That’s fucking laughable. I’m sure they’ll use that one at trial.

The 2nd and 3rd shots were post “danger”. Also in violation of protocol. Clearly, murder level charges if those were the fatal ones.

Amazing you MAGAT apologists now go to the level of justifying murder.
 
FastLane said:
They can arrest you for obstructing ICE which is exactly was Mrs Good was doing.

If someone breaks the law in front of them they can arrest them. They are licensed LEO. Even a game warden car give you a traffic ticket and arrest you for any crime.



Good you admit they do have the legal authority to pull someone over. Your car is not a "safe space" where Federal law enforcement does not have the right to arrest you. If you violate Federal Law while driving your car you absolutely can be arrested. That is exactly what Mrs. Good was doing.

They sure can arrest legal citizens if those citizens try to interfere with ICE operations. And that is EXACTLY what Mes. Good was doing.


They can detain citizens if the try to obstruct justice. Which is what Mrs. Good was doing.


They are law enforcement in uniforms that identify them as ICE . She knew they were law enforcement because she had been following them all day and harassing them by honk horns and using a siren.

Christie you can't make up your own facts. You should watch Nate the Lawyer he is black defense lawyer (not exactly a conservative Bio) and he reviews the relevant laws and looks at the videos and applies what happened to the law. He lets you decide on your own then he finally gives his opinion. He gives an even-handed evaluation of what happened so my guess is that you aren't interested in an honest evaluation of the relevant laws as applied to exactly what happened on the videos.
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I haven't found a single legal site that says ICE is allowed to stop people for traffic violations, and that's what you people are claiming. Your (pl.) original claim was that she was blocking traffic. If true, ICE didn't have to legal authority to stop her. She was only trying to leave the area and the ICE agents were blocking her path. Whether that was out of ignorance, poor training or simply anger at the watchers, I don't know.

I read the transcript on Nate the Lawyer. Not once does he refer to the rules and regulations ICE is supposed to abide by. His starting premise is that it was a justifiable shooting, and he never looked at it any other way. Apparently he thinks ICE agents have the same authority as regular trained police. This is the mistake all of you are making, conflating, for lack of a better word "real" law enforcement with ICE agents.

I'll be interested to see what arguments ICE will make when their own rules and regulations are quoted back to them in the investigation.
 
Jarod said:
A person who will (reluctantly) admit, when pressed that they believe the government has the right to kill you if you disobey instructions from a government agent.

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@FastLane
@Tobytone
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Oh Jarod you know that nobody is making that argument.

Let me frame this question in another way.

Do you think there was another way she could have handled this situation? I know you are in cop hating mode and you think that all the responsibility lies with them. But does she bear any responsibility at all for what happened? Any? One shred?
 
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domer76 said:
No, stupid fuck. There is ZERO evidence that he was ever hit.

And placing yourself in front of an idling vehicle is unnecessary and stupid dangerous. Not to mention a violation of protocol. Not the regular occupational kind.

To ensure she’s not coming around at 90mph? That’s fucking laughable. I’m sure they’ll use that one at trial.

The 2nd and 3rd shots were post “danger”. Also in violation of protocol. Clearly, murder level charges if those were the fatal ones.

Amazing you MAGAT apologists now go to the level of justifying murder.
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True and total BS. Utter nonsense. As I said, even the frickin' mayor admits to that. You just saying this holds no water at all, it is utter nonsense.
 
Teflon Don said:
Oh Jarod you know that nobody is making that argument.

Let me frame this question in another way.

Do you think there was another way she could have handled this situation? I know you are in cop hating mode and you think that all the responsibility lies with them. But does she bear any responsibility at all for what happened? Any? One shred?
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100%, There are lots of things she could have done different, also lots of things for police officer could’ve done Differently. She could have not protested something she felt strongly about. She could have been bullied out of her rights as an American citizen. She could’ve complied with the police officers.

The Americans who attended the Boston massacre could’ve done things differently also.

There is nothing she did do that justified
shooting her in the head.
 
TOP said:
No.Clue what you're talking about
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If she had just done what the government told her to do, been compliant with the federal officers. She should’ve been a good subject to American government. Then she’d still be alive.
 
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