Five more Monks die in search of Democracy...

Damocles

Damocles

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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1285741,00.html

UN To Meet In Wake Of Burma Violence
Updated: 15:27, Wednesday September 26, 2007

The UN will meet tonight to discuss the crisis in Burma after five people were reportedly killed in an armed crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrations.

The ruling junta has admitted one civilian has been killed and three more wounded during its supression of the protests.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the "whole world" was watching Burma and the EU would consider "a whole range of sanctions" against its military leaders.

The Irrawaddy, a journal published in Thailand by exiled Burmese journalists, quoted witnesses as saying five monks had died.

The number could not be independently verified.

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Arresting them also seems popular for the Junta...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7013638.stm

Burmese riot police attack monks

Thousands of Burmese Buddhist monks and other protesters have been marching in Rangoon despite a crackdown that has reportedly killed at least one monk.

Monks' shaved heads stained with blood could be seen at the Shwedagon Pagoda where police charged against protesters demanding the end of military rule.

Some marchers started for the city centre while others headed for the home of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

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Damocles said:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1285741,00.html

UN To Meet In Wake Of Burma Violence
Updated: 15:27, Wednesday September 26, 2007

The UN will meet tonight to discuss the crisis in Burma after five people were reportedly killed in an armed crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrations.

The ruling junta has admitted one civilian has been killed and three more wounded during its supression of the protests.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the "whole world" was watching Burma and the EU would consider "a whole range of sanctions" against its military leaders.

The Irrawaddy, a journal published in Thailand by exiled Burmese journalists, quoted witnesses as saying five monks had died.

The number could not be independently verified.

more at link...
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Damo, you and I have been through this before.

These people need second amendment rights, so they can do battle with an evil government to overthrow it.

The peaceful disobedience methods of MLK, Ghandi, Buddist monks, or ukranian or serbian protestors just won't work. Its for pansies.
 
You're right attaining freedom would be much easier if they were completely unarmed and the government possessed all the weapons.
 
Cypress said:
Damo, you and I have been through this before.

These people need second amendment rights, so they can do battle with an evil government to overthrow it.

The peaceful disobedience methods of MLK, Ghandi, Buddist monks, or ukranian or serbian protestors just won't work. Its for pansies.
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We have never been through that before.

You are mixing arguments. When have I ever said that peaceful protest was ineffective? I dare you to come up with even one post I have ever claimed such nonsense.
 
Damocles said:
Arresting them also seems popular for the Junta...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7013638.stm

Burmese riot police attack monks

Thousands of Burmese Buddhist monks and other protesters have been marching in Rangoon despite a crackdown that has reportedly killed at least one monk.

Monks' shaved heads stained with blood could be seen at the Shwedagon Pagoda where police charged against protesters demanding the end of military rule.

Some marchers started for the city centre while others headed for the home of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi.

More at link...
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Do you think there is anything the UN can or will do about this? Other than talking?

I think that they are very brave and a true inspiration to all peoples.
 
You're right attaining freedom would be much easier if they were completely unarmed and the government possessed all the weapons.

If the populace were armed then you'd just have a bloodbath. The only thing that can undermine such a regime is sheer numbers on the streets.
 
Darla said:
Do you think there is anything the UN can or will do about this? Other than talking?

I think that they are very brave and a true inspiration to all peoples.
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No, I think they'll sanction the government and starve the protest right out of them. This is one place where the sanctions will only serve to punish those you wish to help.
 
Warren said:
Very true. As long as they have China's support though I don't see any potential for change.
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Yeah, a good example of why the world would be just as pleasant a place as Latin America was in the 80's, if the US were to fall and China were to rise to sole super-power status.
 
Damocles said:
No, I think they'll sanction the government and starve the protest right out of them.
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You mean with focused economic sanctions, freezing individual's funds, they will stop the government from murdering and jailing the protesters? You think that will do it?
 
Darla said:
You mean with focused economic sanctions, freezing individual's funds, they will stop the government from murdering and jailing the protesters? You think that will do it?
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No, I think that it will only serve to punish those who they seek to "help" and the sanctions will serve to make the Junta stronger while starving the protest out of the populace as they'll simply steal the riches from the populace to continue their iron fist rule.
 
Darla said:
You mean with focused economic sanctions, freezing individual's funds, they will stop the government from murdering and jailing the protesters? You think that will do it?
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Sanctions never affect the people that they are intended to, and always end up hurting the commoners more than the leaders they are intended to punish.
 
Warren said:
You're right attaining freedom would be much easier if they were completely unarmed and the government possessed all the weapons.
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there are very few examples of an armed militia group in a nation, overthrowing an authoritarian government, and replacing it with a genuine representative democracy. Its usually the people with the most, and biggest guns that win those battles. People with the most and biggest guns don't neccessarily have the best intent towards liberal democratic government.

Look at all the social movements in the past half century that have resulted in liberal, democratic changes. They didn't involved armed civil wars. They involved civil disobedience and mass protest.
 
Cypress said:
there are very few examples of an armed militia group in a nation, overthrowing an authoritarian government, and replacing it with a genuine representative democracy. Its usually the people with the most, and biggest guns that win those battles. People with the most and biggest guns don't neccessarily have the best intent towards liberal democratic government.

Look at all the social movements in the past half century that have resulted in liberal, democratic changes. They didn't involved armed civil wars. They involved civil disobedience and mass protest.
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Just the one huge example of the US of A.
 
Damocles said:
No, I think that it will only serve to punish those who they seek to "help" and the sanctions will serve to make the Junta stronger while starving the protest out of the populace as they'll simply steal the riches from the populace to continue their iron fist rule.
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I know that's usually how economic sanctions work, when you cut off trade and stuff, but freezing the personal bank accounts of the actual leaders, I thought might have a different outcome.
 
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