Florida plans to become first state to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates

[AProudLefty]

... or you could hazard an answer.

Why do you think contract killings are OK?

[ for purposes of discussion, a "contract killing" is defined as the killing of living human A by living human B who was paid by living human C for his "unaliving" services. Furthermore, living human A does not get a say in the matter, the killing fee is negotiated between humans B and C, and the entire matter is human C's choice. ]


... or you could say that you are pro-contract-killings. What about contract killings do you find justifiable?


...and if someone were to say to me what you said to me, I would wonder why you find contract killings acceptable. Personally, I find that alone to make someone a shitty person who should not be walking around in a free society.


From what I've read, the Mafia makes these decisions with great care as well.


Well, the unbrella reason women have for putting a hit out on their own children is "convenience." Less than 1% do so because the mother's life is somehow at risk.

Too funny! This guy calls abortion a contract killing.

 

[Into the Night]

There have actually been quite a few studies that get into plausible associations between vaccines and autism. There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism"

What associations? So there's a website publishing crap. It's like THAT's never happened before!

I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few. Feel free to take a look:

How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

The Body of Research Supporting Vaccine Autism Causation

howdovaccinescauseautism.org

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.

Non-sequitur fallacy. Attempted proof by Holy Link.

 

[Into the Night]

Too funny! This guy calls abortion a contract killing.

Why not? It is.

 

[IBDaMann]

I just pulled up an article on reasons why women have abortions. Convenience was not one of the reasons mentioned.

All of the reasons you cited fall under "convenience," i.e. it would have been inconvenient to keep the baby (for some reason) and thus it was more convenient to just kill the baby and let the killer dispose of the body.

 

[IBDaMann]

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.

You have no basis for eliminating vaccines as a cause of autism, correct?

 

[IBDaMann]

Too funny! This guy calls abortion a contract killing.

Too funny! I defined "contract killing." Did I mention "abortion" in that post? Did you have a problem with my definition? Could you even read my definition for comprehension?

 

[AProudLefty]

Why not? It is.

Women don't pay for it. A fetus under 10 weeks is not a sentient thing.

 

[AProudLefty]

Too funny! I defined "contract killing." Did I mention "abortion" in that post? Did you have a problem with my definition? Could you even read my definition for comprehension?

What else could it be?

 

[Scott]

It was a planned scam, the purpose of which was to either get Trump out of office or to ensure he was not reelected.

I haven't seen any evidence for either of those positions.

You do that a lot, i.e. turn a blind eye to mountainous evidence surrounding you.

I think the main issue here is that you fail to account for the fact that not everyone sees what you see. We use the term points of view for a reason. There are ways to -change- a person's point of view, however. You believe there are mountains of evidence to support your position? Show me.

 

[Scott]

Alright, so your argument is that hospitals and counties engaged in a scam by giving their doctors and medical examiners respectively [a] specific guide to simply hard-code- "Covid-19" in the cause of death section of the death certificate, but you do mention they were following the CDC's guidance- so was the CDC the true perpetrator and the hospitals and counties were... co-conspirators?

That is a good way to phrase it. Every doctor should know that it is wrong to list falsehoods on a death certificate, e.g. listing "contributing factors" as "the cause of death" or adding "diagnoses" for which were never tested.

An interesting point of view. I wonder if we'll ever hear from one of the people responsible for listing these causes of death. I for one would definitely like to hear what these people have to say for themselves.

 

[Scott]

Alright, so your argument is that hospitals and counties engaged in a scam by giving their doctors and medical examiners respectively specific guide to simply hard-code- "Covid-19" in the cause of death section of the death certificate, but you do mention they were following the CDC's guidance- so was the CDC the true perpetrator and the hospitals and counties were... co-conspirators? I admit that I'm not sure what to believe in all of this, but I definitely think what they did is wrong. I'm just not sure if they saw it that way.

You can be sure. The CDC flat out instructed all doctors and medical examiners to hard-code "COVID-19" under the cause of death in the "Cause of Death" section, just to get it in the "Cause of Death" section when it wasn't the cause of death, and wasn't even a contributing factor.

Can you provide evidence for your beliefs here?

 

[Scott]

Since I don't agree that biological viruses exist [snip]

... then you really have no other position to hold than it was all a hoax.

Yes and no. I see it as akin to religions- I think we might be able to agree that at best, only 1 can be 100% right. The rest either have to at least be partially mistaken. That doesn't mean that all of these religions are trying to deceive anyone, it just means that they believe some things that simply aren't true.

That doesn't mean that some journalists I've come to respect haven't called the Covid pandemic a fraud, it just means that I think it may be more accurate to say that what many people believed regarding Covid simply isn't true. There is one journalist in particular that started looking into the evidence for the Cov 2 virus in particular. He published it near the end of 2020. It's here if you're interested:

COVID19 – Evidence Of Global Fraud

Iain Davis COVID 19, and the subsequent governmental responses, appear to be part of an international conspiracy to commit fraud. It seems there is no evidence that a virus called SARS-CoV-2 causes…

off-guardian.org

 

[Into the Night]

Women don't pay for it.

Yes they do, LeftNut. They pay in many ways. The 'doctor' performing the abortion is the contractee.

A fetus under 10 weeks is not a sentient thing.

Yes it is, LeftNut. It is a human life.

 

[Into the Night]

What else could it be?

Lost context again, eh?

 

[Scott]

I once had a young female friend who also liked to take control of language terms when it came to abortion. It ended in us being unable to discuss the subject anymore because she refused to accept dictionary definitions of the term. Will you accept either of the following terms for abortion which are used by the American Heritage Dictionary, 5th edition?

**

• noun Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
• noun Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

**

Source:

abortion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

I'll consider it when we are actually discussing "abortion."

Wait a second- we -were- discussing abortions. What do you think we're discussing?

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes they do, LeftNut. They pay in many ways. The 'doctor' performing the abortion is the contractee.

Women do not pay.

Yes it is, LeftNut. It is a human life.

Fetuses under 10 weeks are not conscious and sentient. They don't feel.

 

[AProudLefty]

Wait a second- we -were- discussing abortions. What do you think we're discussing?

@IBDaMann is confused.

 

[Scott]

I see that Lichgold responded to your post by calling those on the left 'salty fag****' in his response to your post. As for myself, I feel it's a tragedy that people on both sides treat each other so badly. I tend to alternate "sides", going right when it comes to things like covid and vaccines, going left when it comes to LGBTQ issues. I tend to stick to just one issue at a time to avoid the vertigo of having the same people who insult me in one thread be my allies in another.

That would be common coming from a MAGAt.

Don't you see, though? The left here calls those on the right MAG***, the right calls those on the left fag***. There is a sad symetry in the epithets.

You are attempting the impossible, i.e. rationally discuss something with Dutch-Dutch in a productive manner. When it just doesn't work, don't ask "Why didn't anybody say anything?"

I'm saying something.

You know, when I first started posting in this forum, I initially took a liking to Dutch Uncle, but then we had a disagreement about something and he became the first person who I thread banned from my threads. I never removed that thread ban, though I did have some alright discussions with him in other people's threads. Then justplainpolitics got the Zen forum software that doesn't allow regular posters to put thread bans on people. I think that at first, Dutch Uncle started up with me again, but then something changed. Perhaps it was in part my changing my online name here, but I suspect that a more important factor was that he realized that we didn't disagree on everything and we didn't always have to be ideological opponents. Before I reached out to him in this sub thread on the need for more civilized dialogue, I strongly suspect that he may have tried to reign in one of my ideological opponents in this thread. It was just a suspicion, but I decided to see just how far this could go. Now, since you are clearly on the -other- side of the left right divide, I ask that you try to do the same- that is, try avoid the tired routine of insulting those on the other side of the left/right ideological divide. Instead, try to just focus on the insults they hurl and don't respond to the rest. If nothing works, I personally tend to avoid responding to any posts from a person if an insult is involved. I think I've had some success

 

[Scott]

What are the top five LGBTQ issues? I'm only aware of one.

What would that be? In any case, I decided to do a search for LGBTQ issues. I came up with battles instead:

9 Battles The LGBTQ Community In The US Is Still Fighting

Here are some of the battles for LGBTQ equality that are still being fought across the country.

www.globalcitizen.org

So there are no issues besides "supremacy", yes?

The article I linked to cites 9 battles. Supremacy isn't one of them. Again, the article I linked to if you're interested in taking a look:

9 Battles The LGBTQ Community In The US Is Still Fighting

Here are some of the battles for LGBTQ equality that are still being fought across the country.

www.globalcitizen.org

 

[Scott]

There have actually been quite a few studies that get into plausible associations between vaccines and autism. There's a website that claims to have "a list of abstracts from 239 papers demonstrating the multiple associations between vaccines and autism"

I personally haven't counted the papers in question, but it certainly does appear to be quite a few. Feel free to take a look:

How Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

The Body of Research Supporting Vaccine Autism Causation

howdovaccinescauseautism.org

What I'd like to stress is that no one, to my knowledge, has ever claimed that vaccines are the -only- cause of autism.

Thanks for the link..
I will certainly take a look at it... The increasing number of cases of autism every year though is just out of control.... And I have seen Far too many children labeled as "autistic or developmentally disabled " who are not.... Especially when they're young...

I certainly don't claim to be an expert on diagnosing true autism. Anyway, I found links videos where people believe that they or one of their loved ones was rendered autistic, mainly if not exclusively because of vaccines:

Browse All Autism

Browse Autism

live.childrenshealthdefense.org

Videos on what was apparently an autism cover up by the CDC:

Browse All The Autism Cover-Up Simpsonwood Scandal: 25 Years of Fraud & Corruption

Browse The Autism Cover-Up Simpsonwood Scandal: 25 Years of Fraud & Corruption

live.childrenshealthdefense.org

Books on autism:

Autism Book List

CHD BOOKSTORE

childrenshealthdefense.org

I haven't seen much of this. For me, it's just preaching to the choir. But for someone who's not sure if autism may really be caused by vaccines, I think they might help.