? for the left.was Hitler responsible for the mistakes his military made?

volsrock said:
was Hitler responsible for the mistakes his military made?


This ? was asked by one of your own in another thread about who was responsible for the death of Jews


The Holocaust was a mistake made by the military...so was Hitler responsible for the mistakes his military made?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...ocent-aid-worker-killed-in-Kabul-strike/page5
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are you on drugs? do you really think nazi soldiers were not under the direct command of hitler, and many said they were just following orders? do you think biden ordered our military to mistakenly blow up some car in afghanistan, if that is what happened? do you understand mistakes vs intent?
 
AProudLefty said:
Now that certainly was a mistake. The homosexuals and physically handicapped could have been very useful.
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...and a few more Jewish physicists working on their atom bomb project would have been useful. ;)

Using prisoners to help the war effort is an act of desperation. The prisoners were sabotaging the efforts from the inside.

Another application of James Baldwin's "The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose."

Eating one's own young never ends well. Look at that the Republicans did to themselves with the RINO bullshit. They went from Newt to Nutty on 1/6. WTF?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
...and a few more Jewish physicists working on their atom bomb project would have been useful. ;)
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JESUS. Now that was a YUGE mistake. Some of those Jew scientists like Einstein were very brilliant.

Using prisoners to help the war effort is an act of desperation. The prisoners were sabotaging the efforts from the inside.
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Well that true. Sabotaging means certain punishments and even death.

Another application of James Baldwin's "The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose."
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That is very frightening.

Eating one's own young never ends well. Look at that the Republicans did to themselves with the RINO bullshit. They went from Newt to Nutty on 1/6. WTF?
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It marks the end of the GOP.
 
volsrock said:
The Holocaust was a mistake made by the military...so was Hitler responsible for the mistakes his military made?
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Wow, going even further back in time for your "current events". The Holocaust was not a mistake, it was an intentional crime against humanity. While the conventional German military did little to oppose it, they certainly did not initiate it. Hitler is very responsible for the Holocaust.
 
Walt said:
Wow, going even further back in time for your "current events". The Holocaust was not a mistake, it was an intentional crime against humanity. While the conventional German military did little to oppose it, they certainly did not initiate it. Hitler is very responsible for the Holocaust.
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The Wehrmacht did oppose it but, in the end, they "followed orders". Even so, Hitler oversaw the creation of the SS to be his political military. Kinda like Trump wanted the militias to become before he fucked them over after the Insurrection.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The Wehrmacht did oppose it but, in the end, they "followed orders". Even so, Hitler oversaw the creation of the SS to be his political military. Kinda like Trump wanted the militias to become before he fucked them over after the Insurrection.
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Some of the Wehrmacht did oppose it late in the war, but not enough. Still, it was hardly their mistake. It was not a mistake, and it was initiated by the Nazi Party, and Hitler is specific. Look at the attendees of the Wannsee Conference, and not one of them would be called conventional military.
 
Walt said:
Some of the Wehrmacht did oppose it late in the war, but not enough. Still, it was hardly their mistake. It was not a mistake, and it was initiated by the Nazi Party, and Hitler is specific. Look at the attendees of the Wannsee Conference, and not one of them would be called conventional military.
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Because they'd be shot if they didn't shut up? Let's not forget what they were dealing with at the time and the circumstances in 1930s Germany and Europe.

The Nuremberg Trials in '45 and '46 clarified who was responsible....and, most famously, "just following orders" was not enough at the time. Ten years later a great movie came out, "The Enemy Below". It was oddly a sympathetic to the Kriegsmarine, which was mostly composed of former German Imperial Navy sailors, while also pointing out the Nazis thrust among them.

In the early 1960s, Stanley Milgram began is "Obedience to Authority" psych experiments which instantly became controversial because it proved, to an extent, "just following orders" was a lot more common among people than American society had judged. The Zimbardo's "Stanford Prison Experiment" added to the weight of the dynamics involved in such circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology#Milgram_experiment


Agreed it was Hitler, Himmler and the rest of the die-hard Nazis who initiated and oversaw mass murder.
 
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