Fossil energy harming the enviroment

You are correct. We should shut off all our power today and go back to the stone age. good point.

Yeah, did I say that? Read the thread. I am talking about a very gradual transition, but one which needs to progress as quickly as possible.
We could theoreticaly stop using fossil fuels entirely (with the exception of manufacturing) by 2030, but a great number of alternative sources must be built and installed first.
 
so you are saying we should stick with gasoline??? Do make up your mind.

The Volt is a transitionary vehicle, suitable as is for some. One in the correct circumstances could routinely drive a Volt using no gas, but have the option for long distance travel without needing to rent a car. The Volt's versatility is a gem of good design principles. Eventualy battery tech will become cheap enough that all electric long range vehicles such as the Tessla will become affordable.
 
The Volt is a transitionary vehicle, suitable as is for some. One in the correct circumstances could routinely drive a Volt using no gas, but have the option for long distance travel without needing to rent a car. The Volt's versatility is a gem of good design principles. Eventualy battery tech will become cheap enough that all electric long range vehicles such as the Tessla will become affordable.
you suck the taint but won't buy it. Why?
Ananlyst say it's the same chasis as the Cruze and it's $10,000 more after the credit.
Buy is sucker.
 
that sounds way worse to me

Depends on whether or not the dealer passes that cost 'savings' on to the consumer. If they pass the entire 10k (unlikely) then it could be better. My guess would be that they pocket about $2k and pass along the $8 to the suckers that buy the Volts.
 
I am personally hoping that more and more people buy electric cars. More power to them (no pun intended) to make the change from gasoline to electric.
 
the dealers will really crank up the lies on it's performance now that they'll be getting paid much more to move these dogs.
 
LOL at Righties who whine about "green" subsidies but have no prolem with subsidies for Big Oil....
 
yeah...i see you dishonestly pointing out a minority of my posts that are ad homs, while ignoring the majority of my posts which are about issues. you are so hypocritical. you ignore all of zappa's, dune's et al....ad homs and only single me out.

try honesty for once rana. try actually picking out a debate post and let's go from there. i could easily pick out only ad hom posts by darla and do the same thing you're doing. but i won't. why not pick out an actual debate post.

Why should she?

You plan on ACTUALLY keeping your word for a change?
 
A spokesman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA) said there was "no basis to conclude that the Gulf recovery will be complete by 2012", and warned that some of the consequences of the spill may not be known for decades.

The spokesman went on to note that about 60 miles of the coastline remain oiled.

Tar mats continue to wash up on beaches in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle.


Although Gulf waters have reopened to fishing, many oyster beds were wiped out when state authorities flushed fresh water into the Gulf in the hopes of rolling back the oil.


At a public meeting in Biloxi, Mississippi, fishermen said they were hauling up nets full of oil with their shrimp.



So how could the disaster possibly be over, asks Joye. "You talk to people who live around the Gulf of Mexico, who live on the coast, who have family members who work on oil rigs. It's not OK down there. The system is not fine. Things are not normal. There are a lot of very strange things going on – the turtles washing up on beaches, dolphins washing up on beaches, the crabs. It is just bizarre. How can that just be random consequence?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/13/deepwater-horizon-gulf-mexico-oil-spill
 
The prognosis for major species of large game fish, including bluefin tuna and swordfish is not good following the BP oil spill;

“It’s obvious that any egg or larvae encountering oil will die,” said Molly Lutcavage, director of a research center on large fish and turtles at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. Less clear is whether fish would have continued to lay eggs near the spill after it began. Most fish can smell, and researchers hope that at least some species would have avoided spawning in oil. However, fish that can be readily spotted from the air, like whale sharks, have been seen in recent weeks in the vicinity of the spill.

“The question is, does everything shut down if there’s oil there, or do they just go ahead and spawn anyway?” said Eric Hoffmayer, a researcher at the University of Southern Mississippi. Many important fish in the region, like yellowfin tuna, are able to spawn across broad areas of the gulf, and that means significant numbers of such fish should have hatched this year far from the oil spill. But other species, including bluefin tuna, apparently have a strong instinct to spawn in a specific part of the ocean. Scientists fear that instinct might overcome the presence of oil in the water, causing the fish to spawn in areas where their offspring would be likely to die. One of the spawning areas in the gulf favored by bluefin is in the vicinity of the spill, Dr. Block said.

The risks the spill poses to fish of all kinds have provoked deep alarm among commercial and sport fishing groups. At least a half-dozen major billfishing tournaments scheduled for June and July have been canceled, and tourists who would normally take deep-sea fishing trips this time of year are avoiding the gulf. The American Sportfishing Association estimated that business owners were losing millions of dollars in a recreational fishing industry worth more than $3.5 billion a year in the gulf. “It’s having a horrific impact on the marine and fishing industry,” said Dan Jacobs, tournament director for an offshore fishing championship.

“The big question is, how long is it going to last?” Given that it takes some big fish years to reach spawning age, the death of larvae and juvenile fish could have consequences that might not show up for a long time. “The oil spill could be the last straw with these very vulnerable species,” said Ellen Peel, president of the Billfish Foundation, a nonprofit group that supports recreational offshore fishing.

Looks like Cheney's company may cause the extinction of multiple species of incredibly valuable large gamefish. The tragedy in the Gulf is far from over.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/us/24fish.html?_r=1
 
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