"Freedom Industries" facing the wrath of a toxic spill in West Virginia

[MAGA MAN]

Damn, I am finding myself agreeing with you. There are portions of the right that do push for sensible regulations, which is what I ultimately want....not some sort of leftist anti free market police state, which is what some would think I want.

I don't know if one can blame properly republicans or democrats in this situation. The whole part of West Virginia in question has Union Carbide, Monsanto, and several other industries that pollute quite heavily. It has been called "cancer Alley" by some pundits.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what you do think sensible regulation should be for that part of West Virginia, and how we should go about obtaining that regulation in a real world/politics of the real and attainable sense.

Sensible regulation means that you have reasonable standards for pollutants emitted outside of the plant, and reasonable penalties assessed when they are violated. It also means requiring a "belt and suspenders" approach to stored chemicals to contain the leak from a primary containment vessel. Monitoring and periodic inspections should be done by the state or its third party contractor, and paid for through permits issued to the plant.

This leak occurred because the secondary containment dike was not maintained properly. Whoever inspected it should be held liable.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Yea...unhuh....shows what you know about West Virginia.

The big culprit here is deregulation combined with lack of enforcement. Don't try to tell me that Repubs in WV would operate any different. I'll laugh in your face.

What I know about WV is that they take in way more federal largess than they pay in taxes, and that both state Houses and the governor are solidly Democrat, and have been for a long time. What I know about Democrats is that they love to have control, but always refuse to accept responsibility when they fuck up.

 

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It also has an LD50 of around 850 mg/kg. Slightly more toxic than dish soap. It's not corrosive, it's not ignitable, it's not radioactive, it's not an oxidizer, it's not classified as a marine pollutant, it's not toxic, nor does it carry any miscellaneous USEPA hazardous waste codes.

Having said that as more information is discovered per the investigations it appears this company has had a pretty bad history of a willful and negligent environmental record.

The fact that the chemical spilled is non hazardous does not mitigate their behavior. What if this has been benzene? You want to talk about an unmitigated disaster that would have been and this company does store chemicals far more hazardous than the one that was spilled. Not to mention their, what appears to be, willful negligence in this case contributed a large quantity of pollution to the Kanawa river and shut down the municipal water operations for 300,000 for close to a week. Lines that had to be repetitively purged to get rid of the chemical. Will they be held accountable for the economic cost due to that spill? I think that they should.

As far as I can make out it is just a surfactant composed of an aliphatic cyclic hydrocarbon and a hydrophilic hydroxy group.

 

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It also has an LD50 of around 850 mg/kg. Slightly more toxic than dish soap. It's not corrosive, it's not ignitable, it's not radioactive, it's not an oxidizer, it's not classified as a marine pollutant, it's not toxic, nor does it carry any miscellaneous USEPA hazardous waste codes.

Having said that as more information is discovered per the investigations it appears this company has had a pretty bad history of a willful and negligent environmental record.

The fact that the chemical spilled is non hazardous does not mitigate their behavior. What if this has been benzene? You want to talk about an unmitigated disaster that would have been and this company does store chemicals far more hazardous than the one that was spilled. Not to mention their, what appears to be, willful negligence in this case contributed a large quantity of pollution to the Kanawa river and shut down the municipal water operations for 300,000 for close to a week. Lines that had to be repetitively purged to get rid of the chemical. Will they be held accountable for the economic cost due to that spill? I think that they should.

So you're saying the Democrat controlled government had reason to watch this company but decided against it for years and years? I'm trying to get what your point is here.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Moot is trying to say two things.
1. He's tryng to prove he's smart by using technical terms.
2. He's saying that the regulation of the material storage may not have been straight-forward.

The only reason why it's not straight-forward is that regulators tend to be simple-minded check boxers who can't think reasonably.

 

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"Freedom Industries" is responsible for a toxic spill in the water supply of West Virginia.

I think we all know the irony of this.

The spill at this plant turned a river blue/green. City officials deemed the water unsafe and 300,000 people around the city have been affected.

Link here http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201401100100

But as we all know. Freedom isn't about worrying about others. It's about "I'm free and can do anything" right Libertarians and Tea Party?

Dear shit-for-brains; Freedom didn't deliberately dump the chemicals, it was an accident.

Dunce.

 

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What I know about Democrats is that they love to have control, but always refuse to accept responsibility when they fuck up.

Demonstrate Always. the Buck stops here Truman was indeed a democrat, methinks.

 

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Dear shit-for-brains; Freedom didn't deliberately dump the chemicals, it was an accident.

Dunce.

....but even in the case of an accident your responsible. Someone ran into my wife's car in a traffic accident. It was an accident. Their insurance still paid to repair our car and give us a rental while ours was in the shop. Seems pretty basic to me.

 

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Moot is trying to say two things.
1. He's tryng to prove he's smart by using technical terms.
2. He's saying that the regulation of the material storage may not have been straight-forward.

The only reason why it's not straight-forward is that regulators tend to be simple-minded check boxers who can't think reasonably.

Depends. there are a lot of competent people who are regulators.

 

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So you're saying the Democrat controlled government had reason to watch this company but decided against it for years and years? I'm trying to get what your point is here.

...as am I. I think he is trying to say Democrats are always incompetent, whish s a highly simplistic and inaccurate way of thinking.

 

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So I blamed "political partisanship"? Have you read my name kid?

I don't care what party is to blame but I know that the Right fixates on less regulation for more money even when it comes to chemicals. Chemical disposal was one of Romneys top ten donors. Coal plants were also one of Romneys top ten contributors.

Any small brain should know that these plants should have been inspected more recently than the 90's.

Talk about tiny brains; how about dunces like you who manage to function without a brain. Stunning to say the least.

What do right winger Christians and Libertarians have to do with this story? Oh that's right; NOTHING.

This is a Democratic controlled State dunce.

 

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Yea...unhuh....shows what you know about West Virginia.

The big culprit here is deregulation combined with lack of enforcement. Don't try to tell me that Repubs in WV would operate any different. I'll laugh in your face.

Please identify the regulations that were de-regulated that resulted in this spill. I'm curious to see them.

How does one "enforce" regulations that have been "de-regulated".

This post is another confused farce that doesn't lead to any direction but stupid.

 

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....but even in the case of an accident your responsible. Someone ran into my wife's car in a traffic accident. It was an accident. Their insurance still paid to repair our car and give us a rental while ours was in the shop. Seems pretty basic to me.

Try to follow the debate for once in your pathetic existence; the dunce who started this thread went on his typical anti-Capitalist anti-right winger rant inferring the company was somehow deliberately trying to poison the citizens chasing evil profits.

He's a moron of epic proportions; don't do moron.

 

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Yea but Big Asshole is an idiot and a troll. Everyone knows that.

Yeah, but leftist dunces like Snarla, Evince, The Dud, Anti-thinker and Dante's, the dunce, are not right?

Your selective hypocritical outrage has been noted however. How ironic that you have this circle jerk with a dunce who trolls.

 

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Try to follow the debate for once in your pathetic existence; the dunce who started this thread went on his typical anti-Capitalist anti-right winger rant inferring the company was somehow deliberately trying to poison the citizens chasing evil profits.

He's a moron of epic proportions; don't do moron.

We don't need anti capitalist anti right winger. We need responsible regulation. Yes I know it is an accident. Rather than calling everyone here a dunce....what do you think should be responsibly done to keep this from happening again?

 

[MAGA MAN]

Depends. there are a lot of competent people who are regulators.

A small percentage, and they have their hands tied by red tape.

 

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We don't need anti capitalist anti right winger. We need responsible regulation. Yes I know it is an accident. Rather than calling everyone here a dunce....what do you think should be responsibly done to keep this from happening again?

I don't call everyone a dunce; only those who act like dunces and say incredibly stupid dishonest things for partisan political purposes.

There are NO regulations or enough "regulators" to prevent all accidents from happening. It is a naive idealistic view that liberal dunces have suggesting an incredible disconnect from reality.

One of the Liberals suggested this was a result of de-regulation. When asked to point out what regulations were de-regulated that caused this accident, we are met with silence.

The non-thinking leftist lunatic who created this thread begins it with a false premise, that it was a toxic spill, then rambles on about Libertarians and right wingers. There's nothing honest in such claims.

It's obvious you're young, naive and have great difficulty comprehending what you read and because you're an uninformed liberal, you foolishly believe such threads are an honest attempt to discuss the facts; but they are not. They are dishonest efforts to provoke and attack; nothing more, nothing less.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Demonstrate Always. the Buck stops here Truman was indeed a democrat, methinks.

Truman and his philosophy have been dead a long time.

 

[Phantasmal]

Profit is all that matters to the small brains that aren't Christian like the Right wing likes to think they are and aren't worried about individual Liberty like Libertarians think they are.

Instead corrupt media has influenced Right Wing "freedom fighters" into thinking that freedom is when you can harm people for profit, basically everything thing the party use to stand against and is now the ICON.

Are you any worse than he is? Do you know the facts about this spill? Specifically, what do you know about the chemical that was spilled? What do you know about the circumstances of the actual spill itself? Do you know for a fact that the spill resulted from deliberate negligence as you've implied?

Where is Mott? What have you done with him? Are you channeling BM today? Lol

 

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Truman and his philosophy have been dead a long time.

As has the Philosophy of Ike. Both parties have gotten more dysfunctional, not less.