Full FDA Authorization Of Vaccines

Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
This is F.U.B.B.

Clarification on full approval: https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...ed-any-covid-19-vaccines-yet/?sh=325ff412646d

Also:

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a vaccine is:1

"A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."
Immunity, in turn, is defined as:

"Protection from an infectious disease," meaning that "If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected."
That's the medical definition. The legal definition, in the few cases where it has been detailed, is equally unequivocal:

Iowa code2 — "Vaccine means a specially prepared antigen administered to a person for the purpose of providing immunity."
Washington state code3,4 — "Vaccine means a preparation of a killed or attenuated living microorganism, or fraction thereof …" The statute also specifies that a vaccine "upon immunization stimulates immunity that protects us against disease ..."

These definitions, both medical and legal, present problems for mRNA "vaccines," since:

mRNA injections do not impart immunity. Moderna and Pfizer both admit that their clinical trials aren't even looking at immunity. As such they do not fulfill the medical and/or legal definition of a vaccine.
They do not inhibit transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 infection. As such they do not fulfill the medical and/or legal definition of a vaccine.
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If they tried to develop traditional vaccines we would not have them available now. They take years.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



If they tried to develop traditional vaccines we would not have them available now. They take years.
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And yet there was ZERO effort regarding treatment to lessen symptoms, incredibly stupid procedures like "locking down" people indoors during a virus that's spread aerobically .

what was done is to fast track an experimental drug treatment, use a "test" that is NOT fallible or reliable to determine "cases" that don't fit the traditional definition.

Bad science.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
And yet there was ZERO effort regarding treatment to lessen symptoms, incredibly stupid procedures like "locking down" people indoors during a virus that's spread aerobically .

what was done is to fast track an experimental drug treatment, use a "test" that is NOT fallible or reliable to determine "cases" that don't fit the traditional definition.

Bad science.
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I am not a scientist, so I have to take the CDC's word for it. At some point we have to trust our institutions. We sure pay enough money for them. We have a good government. Very smart people on the job. Dedicated to protecting the health of the nation. That's their job and they take it seriously, do it well.
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Does the measles vaccine prevent the measles?
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Measles is not Covid and the measles vaccine is not even the same type of vaccine as thr Covid vaccine.

Your retort was stupid. Does the Covid vaccine prevent Covid? Following the science shows it doesn't. It prevents serious illness and death, but not getting the disease.
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
That is a righty excuse. Most will not get the vaccination no matter what. The difference is companies may be able to force shots on employees if it is approved.
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Everybody who works for government or large corporations should be required to get vaccinated as a condition of employment.

This includes all military and police.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



I am not a scientist, so I have to take the CDC's word for it. At some point we have to trust our institutions. We sure pay enough money for them. We have a good government. Very smart people on the job. Dedicated to protecting the health of the nation. That's their job and they take it seriously, do it well.
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You don't have to be a scientist to read all material available from reputable medical scientist....much less catch the contradictions and inconsistencies within the CDC statements themselves.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
You don't have to be a scientist to read all material available from reputable medical scientist....much less catch the contradictions and inconsistencies within the CDC statements themselves.
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I trust the extremely reputable medical scientists at the CDC. They are tasked with protecting the nation. We must stand together on this to make an effective response.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



I trust the extremely reputable medical scientists at the CDC. They are tasked with protecting the nation. We must stand together on this to make an effective response.
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Naa-unnh, PT. I don't put my critical thinking, cognitive skills and just plain old common sense on hold when a long trusted institution starts telling me things that just don't add up or make sense. Yes, we must stand together....but we damned well better be willing to apply the same standards to those we trust as to those we don't.
 
PoliTalker said:
This is gonna remove one more objection for the vaccine hesitant.
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"Objection not to do, or to do something" removal has never been something that persuades Repukes.
A change in the team stance vocally emoted by Fox news and their editor in chief the Orange FUCKWAD is all they can possibly respond to.

That or deprogram their remote control and watch as they beg for someone under 40 to show them what the fuck to do to get Matlock back on.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
Naa-unnh, PT. I don't put my critical thinking, cognitive skills and just plain old common sense on hold when a long trusted institution starts telling me things that just don't add up or make sense. Yes, we must stand together....but we damned well better be willing to apply the same standards to those we trust as to those we don't.
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Well obviously we are simply going to have to agree to disagree.

I cannot see how resistance and individualism is going to solve the pandemic. We have to rally together around something and that something is the CDC.
 
Hello Micawber,

Micawber said:
"Objection not to do, or to do something" removal has never been something that persuades Repukes.
A change in the team stance vocally emoted by Fox news and their editor in chief the Orange FUCKWAD is all they can possibly respond to.

That or deprogram their remote control and watch as they beg for someone under 40 to show them what the fuck to do to get Matlock back on.
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Republicans are individuals just like anybody else. They don't all think the same nor do they act the same. If increasing numbers of them wish to get the vaccine and wear masks that is what they are going to do despite the rhetoric. And when others find out that aside from all the bravado talk, people are actually fighting the pandemic more than liberals, they will do it too.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
after 46 years of testing, yes. how many were adversely affected during it's test phase?

see, you people push 'science', but science takes years to accomplish safety. in 1 year of the emergency phase testing of the covid vaccines, all you've determined is that people can still get infected, still spread it, MIGHT get less sick and MIGHT not need hospitalized, but it's all the unvaccinated folks fault.................

seriously, why are you pushing this vaccine so hard? you obviously don't fucking care about those who won't get it. you don't fucking care about anyone who does suffer bad reactions from it. so what is the ulterior motive from you evil fucks?
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The vaccines don’t stop infections or stop the spread but they appear to cut down on severity of disease in most cases. But I’m half persuaded it’s come at the cost of producing more variants through selection pressure. None of the JPP ‘scientists’ seem to be able to refute that theory even by appeals to authority.

But if the FDA gives them full approval it will still be a rushed job as vaccine approval typically takes years.

We are literally living through a microbiology experiment.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
The vaccines don’t stop infections or stop the spread but they appear to cut down on severity of disease in most cases. But I’m half persuaded it’s come at the cost of producing more variants through selection pressure. None of the JPP ‘scientists’ seem to be able to refute that theory even by appeals to authority.

But if the FDA gives them full approval it will still be a rushed job as vaccine approval typically takes years.

We are literally living through a microbiology experiment.
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It's actually virology.

I'm not surprised your skeptical side is entertaining new conspiracy theories.

Vaccine development has historically taken years, but this mRNA method is quicker. I'm glad we have it. The death tolls would be far higher if we didn't.

Have you decided if you are in support of the vaccines because Trump claimed credit for them? Or is your skeptical nature winning out over that and going with a new conspiracy theory...
 
Darth Omar said:
The vaccines don’t stop infections or stop the spread but they appear to cut down on severity of disease in most cases. But I’m half persuaded it’s come at the cost of producing more variants through selection pressure. None of the JPP ‘scientists’ seem to be able to refute that theory even by appeals to authority.

But if the FDA gives them full approval it will still be a rushed job as vaccine approval typically takes years.

We are literally living through a microbiology experiment.
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A year's worth of data accumulated. There are mega millions of people vaccinated. They are across the whole world and have had serious scrutiny. That is a huge, ongoing test lab that has shown clearly that the vaccines are safe and work. This is far from experimental. If there were problems with the vaccines they would have shown up.
 
Nordberg said:
A year's worth of data accumulated. There are mega millions of people vaccinated. They are across the whole world and have had serious scrutiny. That is a huge, ongoing test lab that has shown clearly that the vaccines are safe and work. This is far from experimental. If there were problems with the vaccines they would have shown up.
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You contradicted yourself.

If the vaccines were being investigated tested on the run, then every person who take the jab was taking part in a Stage III trial. Aka an experiment.

Or is it your point that it’s ok to concede that now?
 
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