Full FDA Authorization Of Vaccines

Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
You contradicted yourself.

If the vaccines were being investigated tested on the run, then every person who take the jab was taking part in a Stage III trial. Aka an experiment.

Or is it your point that it’s ok to concede that now?
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Our lives are all an experiment.

America is the great ongoing experiment in Democracy.

Insurrection Day showed that Democracy has prevailed against anarchists.

This time.

You want guarantees?

Death and taxes.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,


Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Naa-unnh, PT. I don't put my critical thinking, cognitive skills and just plain old common sense on hold when a long trusted institution starts telling me things that just don't add up or make sense. Yes, we must stand together....but we damned well better be willing to apply the same standards to those we trust as to those we don't.
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Well obviously we are simply going to have to agree to disagree.

I cannot see how resistance and individualism is going to solve the pandemic. We have to rally together around something and that something is the CDC.
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I take great note of your use of the words resistance" and "individualism". Critical analysis of all the material available on the subject (past & present) is not "resistance", it is RESEARCH. If my research comes to a different conclusion than yours, then best to equally analyze all material to see which is the correct conclusion. That is not "individualism", that is the basis for the scientific method.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth has been the "rallying point" (or it should be) for a pillar of American society. Without that, you have the nonsense that is going on today.

Here's what you need to take to heart, PT.....the current basis used to determine infection & cure rates since this thing started has been the PRC test (current version RT-PRC). This test was developed by the late Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis. It was incorporated by Dr. Fauci & company back in the 1980's to determine if a person had HIV, which was deemed by the medical community to cause/be a precursor to AIDS. Problem is, Mullis pointed out that his test was NOT a determiner of viral or bacterial infection in a person....IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO DO SO. Mullis spent 3 years looking for the peer reviewed, conclusive medical/scientific paper that proved HIV=AIDS. He never found it. Mullis publicly stated that Fauci didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and challenged him or any other medical scientist to a public forum/debate. No one EVER took the challenged.

Flip the script 40 years to present.

We have Fauci doing a repeat of his past performance, only this time with a different disease. Current media capability shows that this test is at best 60-40 odds against being a reliable determiner. Yet our MSM gives daily reports on "cases" of Covid BASED ON THIS FLAWED AND INACCURATE TEST. The CDC and WHO are in sync with Fauci regarding validating the use of PRC.

So if you're going to rally around something, you damned well better be sure it's a valid rallying point, and not just any port in a storm.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
I take great note of your use of the words resistance" and "individualism". Critical analysis of all the material available on the subject (past & present) is not "resistance", it is RESEARCH. If my research comes to a different conclusion than yours, then best to equally analyze all material to see which is the correct conclusion. That is not "individualism", that is the basis for the scientific method.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth has been the "rallying point" (or it should be) for a pillar of American society. Without that, you have the nonsense that is going on today.

Here's what you need to take to heart, PT.....the current basis used to determine infection & cure rates since this thing started has been the PRC test (current version RT-PRC). This test was developed by the late Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis. It was incorporated by Dr. Fauci & company back in the 1980's to determine if a person had HIV, which was deemed by the medical community to cause/be a precursor to AIDS. Problem is, Mullis pointed out that his test was NOT a determiner of viral or bacterial infection in a person....IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO DO SO. Mullis spent 3 years looking for the peer reviewed, conclusive medical/scientific paper that proved HIV=AIDS. He never found it. Mullis publicly stated that Fauci didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and challenged him or any other medical scientist to a public forum/debate. No one EVER took the challenged.

Flip the script 40 years to present.

We have Fauci doing a repeat of his past performance, only this time with a different disease. Current media capability shows that this test is at best 60-40 odds against being a reliable determiner. Yet our MSM gives daily reports on "cases" of Covid BASED ON THIS FLAWED AND INACCURATE TEST. The CDC and WHO are in sync with Fauci regarding validating the use of PRC.

So if you're going to rally around something, you damned well better be sure it's a valid rallying point, and not just any port in a storm.
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It's called the PCR test. It is the best indicator we have. We would like to live in a perfect world but we don't. So we have to accept compromises on virtually everything.

I think we should employ wider use of COVID sniffing dogs.
 
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"Health officials note it's still too early to know whether the hundreds of guests and workers at the maskless parties have contributed to the surge in cases" :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Hello Nornberg,

Nordberg said:
it is not an objection. It is an excuse. Those are replaceable. They will just come up with something else and be just as sure.
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A distinction can be drawn between the vaccine hesitant and the vaccine resistant.

The truly resistant will not be brought around very easily.

The hesitant just need a little encouragement.

They are the ones who are procrastinating, thinking that if enough other people step forward first, they won't have to. They know it will take most of society vaccinated to gain control of the virus, but they also know that 100% vaccination is not needed, so they keep telling themselves if they just hold out one more day maybe it will turn around.

Even the carrots of lotteries and payments are not enough for them.

They can be helped along greatly by prodding with the stick.

When it comes down to being told they might lose their job, of be unable to do the things they really want to do, they will come around.

Full FDA Authorization will give institutions the cred they need to go with the mandates that will force the hand of these hold-outs.
 
Stretch said:
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"Health officials note it's still too early to know whether the hundreds of guests and workers at the maskless parties have contributed to the surge in cases" :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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And to date, neither you or any other right wing/alt right clown can point to any of these "official" claims that can verify if any participants were infected BEFORE attending such events, much less whom else the later "cases" came into contact with AFTER such an event.

Laugh, clown, laugh.
 
PoliTalker said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I take great note of your use of the words resistance" and "individualism". Critical analysis of all the material available on the subject (past & present) is not "resistance", it is RESEARCH. If my research comes to a different conclusion than yours, then best to equally analyze all material to see which is the correct conclusion. That is not "individualism", that is the basis for the scientific method.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth has been the "rallying point" (or it should be) for a pillar of American society. Without that, you have the nonsense that is going on today.

Here's what you need to take to heart, PT.....the current basis used to determine infection & cure rates since this thing started has been the PRC test (current version RT-PRC). This test was developed by the late Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis. It was incorporated by Dr. Fauci & company back in the 1980's to determine if a person had HIV, which was deemed by the medical community to cause/be a precursor to AIDS. Problem is, Mullis pointed out that his test was NOT a determiner of viral or bacterial infection in a person....IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO DO SO. Mullis spent 3 years looking for the peer reviewed, conclusive medical/scientific paper that proved HIV=AIDS. He never found it. Mullis publicly stated that Fauci didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and challenged him or any other medical scientist to a public forum/debate. No one EVER took the challenged.

Flip the script 40 years to present.

We have Fauci doing a repeat of his past performance, only this time with a different disease. Current media capability shows that this test is at best 60-40 odds against being a reliable determiner. Yet our MSM gives daily reports on "cases" of Covid BASED ON THIS FLAWED AND INACCURATE TEST. The CDC and WHO are in sync with Fauci regarding validating the use of PRC.

So if you're going to rally around something, you damned well better be sure it's a valid rallying point, and not just any port in a storm.
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Hello Taichiliberal,



It's called the PCR test. It is the best indicator we have. We would like to live in a perfect world but we don't. So we have to accept compromises on virtually everything.

I think we should employ wider use of COVID sniffing dogs.
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Sorry about the call letter mix up.

Essentially, you're speaking out of fear....understandable. Again, this "just any port in a storm" attitude is dangerous, as we're dealing with an experimental gene therapy mix of which the long term effects are not known, and of which reported serious complications and side effects are being down played.

The current "vaccines" are being deployed under an emergency statute....the FDA usually takes about 15 years to vet even claims of fruit juice mixes being a healthy guard against certain diseases.

You wouldn't buy a car to get to work where the salesman tells you it has a less than 60-40 chance of doing so on a daily basis....so I fail to understand why people are playing with their health and lives with this stuff. And remember, courtesy of the Bush administration big pharma companies are damned near immune from accountability regarding any negative or dire side effects from their products.

Instead of disease sniffing animals (can you imagined the time it would take to breed and train such sufficient to the general population ratio?), why not actually give public credit & validation to the vitamins, minerals and supplements that have for generations proved effective in lessening and even preventing the conditions brought on by Covid? Couldn't hurt.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
Sorry about the call letter mix up.

Essentially, you're speaking out of fear....understandable. Again, this "just any port in a storm" attitude is dangerous, as we're dealing with an experimental gene therapy mix of which the long term effects are not known, and of which reported serious complications and side effects are being down played.

The current "vaccines" are being deployed under an emergency statute....the FDA usually takes about 15 years to vet even claims of fruit juice mixes being a healthy guard against certain diseases.

You wouldn't buy a car to get to work where the salesman tells you it has a less than 60-40 chance of doing so on a daily basis....so I fail to understand why people are playing with their health and lives with this stuff. And remember, courtesy of the Bush administration big pharma companies are damned near immune from accountability regarding any negative or dire side effects from their products.

Instead of disease sniffing animals (can you imagined the time it would take to breed and train such sufficient to the general population ratio?), why not actually give public credit & validation to the vitamins, minerals and supplements that have for generations proved effective in lessening and even preventing the conditions brought on by Covid? Couldn't hurt.
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I appreciate your concerns but the vaccines are hardly experimental. Millions have been vaccinated successfully with no problems. The EUA for the Pfizer is about to be given full authorization.

It's only natural to have concerns over the possible side effects. I certainly had my own. But that is an unknown. The knowns outweigh it. We know that taking the vaccine removes almost all concern of death. That's huge. The other part is while we have our concerns for ourselves, we have to also think of others. We simply cannot beat the pandemic unless we use vaccines.

And it needs to be most people willing to do it.

It won't work if everybody says no.

Part of my decision to get the vaccine was out of concern for others. Together we can beat this. Arguing over it won't get us out of the pandemic. So I decided to join the solution, do something for my country as I protect myself. And I can even hear better with the third ear that grew out of my forehead.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



I appreciate your concerns but the vaccines are hardly experimental. Millions have been vaccinated successfully with no problems. The EUA for the Pfizer is about to be given full authorization.

It's only natural to have concerns over the possible side effects. I certainly had my own. But that is an unknown. The knowns outweigh it. We know that taking the vaccine removes almost all concern of death. That's huge. The other part is while we have our concerns for ourselves, we have to also think of others. We simply cannot beat the pandemic unless we use vaccines.

And it needs to be most people willing to do it.

It won't work if everybody says no.

Part of my decision to get the vaccine was out of concern for others. Together we can beat this. Arguing over it won't get us out of the pandemic. So I decided to join the solution, do something for my country as I protect myself. And I can even hear better with the third ear that grew out of my forehead.
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Let correct you on one point....the "vaccines" were authorized, NOT approved by the FDA. This means that the usual testing standards were not completed. Period.

All you are doing here is repeating yourself while side stepping/ignoring the FACTS I previously laid out that you cannot refute or logically dismiss. That is a dangerous precedent, which essentially allows big pharma via the FDA and the CDC to tell you anything they want because they know that fear and blind trust will sell it (along with a LOT of video testimonies by doctors, and a LOT of commercials).

And PLEASE do not mix patriotism in with your justification, because as we all know that is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and I don't see you as such to date.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Sorry about the call letter mix up.

Essentially, you're speaking out of fear....understandable. Again, this "just any port in a storm" attitude is dangerous, as we're dealing with an experimental gene therapy mix of which the long term effects are not known, and of which reported serious complications and side effects are being down played.

The current "vaccines" are being deployed under an emergency statute....the FDA usually takes about 15 years to vet even claims of fruit juice mixes being a healthy guard against certain diseases.

You wouldn't buy a car to get to work where the salesman tells you it has a less than 60-40 chance of doing so on a daily basis....so I fail to understand why people are playing with their health and lives with this stuff. And remember, courtesy of the Bush administration big pharma companies are damned near immune from accountability regarding any negative or dire side effects from their products.

Instead of disease sniffing animals (can you imagined the time it would take to breed and train such sufficient to the general population ratio?), why not actually give public credit & validation to the vitamins, minerals and supplements that have for generations proved effective in lessening and even preventing the conditions brought on by Covid? Couldn't hurt.
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Bravo. Perfectly stated.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
Let correct you on one point....the "vaccines" were authorized, NOT approved by the FDA. This means that the usual testing standards were not completed. Period.

All you are doing here is repeating yourself while side stepping/ignoring the FACTS I previously laid out that you cannot refute or logically dismiss. That is a dangerous precedent, which essentially allows big pharma via the FDA and the CDC to tell you anything they want because they know that fear and blind trust will sell it (along with a LOT of video testimonies by doctors, and a LOT of commercials).

And PLEASE do not mix patriotism in with your justification, because as we all know that is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and I don't see you as such to date.
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My patriotism is quite sincere. I never fought for my country, never served in the military. I do very much appreciate those who do and have. I have a fantastic life. I love my life. I owe my freedom to those who have served. Now that this War on COVID has befallen us, it occurred to me that this is a way for me to give something back, a way to do something for my country. I can take this risk of an unknown new vaccine to do my part to stop the spread of the virus.

The virus is not going to go away by itself. It's a darn good thing so many Americans have gotten the vaccines already. Otherwise our hospitals would be hopelessly overwhelmed. The vaccines, and that fact that most Americans have gotten them are the biggest reason the pandemic is not far worse right now as we speak. Somebody had to step forward and take that risk. A lot of somebodies did that. Those people are patriots. America is far better off because of those patriots.

Thanks for the correction regarding authorization vs approval. It is a good distinction that I was overlooking. The words have precise meanings in regards to how the FDA uses them.

From your earlier link to a Forbes Article:

"Why do the vaccines even need full approval?

There are many reasons why it’s better for the company—and the public—to have full approval of a vaccine. For one, full approval bolsters the public’s confidence, as it means that the vaccine has gone through an ultra-rigorous process to look at safety and effectiveness. The emergency use authorization process is rigorous as well, but full approval looks at more data over a longer period of time. There are benefits for the company as well: public health emergencies have time limits, meaning the vaccine would no longer be able to be sold once it’s over. Full FDA approval means the drug can be used at any time for as long as it is approved."

You think I am ignoring facts you have posted; so I went back and reviewed our conversation. That led me to the link you posted.

The bottom line was that people trust their doctors more than they trust the FDA. I would advise anyone who is undecided about vaccines to talk to their own doctor.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Nornberg,



A distinction can be drawn between the vaccine hesitant and the vaccine resistant.

The truly resistant will not be brought around very easily.

The hesitant just need a little encouragement.

They are the ones who are procrastinating, thinking that if enough other people step forward first, they won't have to. They know it will take most of society vaccinated to gain control of the virus, but they also know that 100% vaccination is not needed, so they keep telling themselves if they just hold out one more day maybe it will turn around.

Even the carrots of lotteries and payments are not enough for them.

They can be helped along greatly by prodding with the stick.

When it comes down to being told they might lose their job, of be unable to do the things they really want to do, they will come around.

Full FDA Authorization will give institutions the cred they need to go with the mandates that will force the hand of these hold-outs.
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All those carrots did not convince them. Now you think an act of paperwork will? They will claim it was rushed or a Dem plot.
 
Life is Golden said:
Bravo. Perfectly stated.
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You know what Covid can do. Long-term illness for many who survive and 700.000 dead. There are near zero problems with the vaccine. The vaccine was built off a couple of decades of research. It was not recklessly rushed.
I saw a doctor with a sign. It said "I do not treat polio and Smallpox. Do you know why? Because vaccines work."
 
Hello Nordberg,

Nordberg said:
All those carrots did not convince them. Now you think an act of paperwork will? They will claim it was rushed or a Dem plot.
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No, I don't think 'they' are all the same. Full FDA Approval will make the difference for some people.
 
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