Global Warming, Climate Change, politics, religion, or science?

[Into the Night]

You are fucking nuts, and have no real value in discussion if you can so easily yank that nonsense out without a second thought. Sounds more like you're the one following a cult like mentality to me. As an avid Christian, I can tell you the trying to compare it to a religion part is pretty deranged. Science is based on facts, it doesn't care what you believe. Thinking you know better then the consensus of those, that actually spent there lives studying these things, is a joke. What's your qualifications keyboard soldier?

Science is not based on facts. Facts are not a Universal Truth. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Consensus is not used in science. Science is not a length of time to study. It is not credentials. It is not a university, government organization, academy, or society. Science isn't even people at all. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it. That's all science is.

 

[Into the Night]

You are sickly deluded. How do you think antibiotics were created?

By building a falsifiable theory, then testing the null hypothesis of that theory.

With proof dingdong, with proof.

Science has no proofs. Science is an open functional system. Such systems have no proofs. Proofs only exist in closed functional systems, such as math or logic.

 

[Into the Night]

dear fucking idiot,

science has proven the manmade element to GW


fuck you very much

Science has no proofs. It is not possible to determine how much each source of CO2 contributes to atmospheric CO2.

 

[Into the Night]

ITS OVER

SCIENCE PROVED IT IDIOTS

Science has no proofs.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...tarctic-waters


For the first time, scientists prove human activity is the top cause of warming Antarctic waters
By Kelsey Litwin in News, Energy, Politics | September 25th 2018

Science has no proofs.

 

[Into the Night]

Along with other scientists from the department, and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California, Swart found that changes seen in Southern Ocean temperature

It's not possible to measure the temperature of the southern ocean.

are directly tied to ozone depletion

Ozone is not being depleted. It never was. We couldn't destroy the ozone layer even if we wanted to. See the Chapman cycle.

and human-induced greenhouse gas emissions,

It is not possible to measure where atmospheric CO2 is coming from.

as opposed to regular temperature variations

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

Their findings were published in the scientific journal Nature Geoscience on Monday.

Science is not a magazine or a journal. What they just published is based on bad math, bad chemistry, and religious beliefs.

 

[Into the Night]

get it

Science has no proofs.

 

[Into the Night]

fuck you rambling idiot




you were duped and they proved in conclusively.



Just because to you there is no such thing as a FACT doesn't mean all other humans are as stupid as you

There is such a thing as a fact, but it doesn't mean what you think it means! A fact is not a Universal Truth. A fact does not even have to be True at all.

 

[Into the Night]

science

the right hates it

along with them hating history


Math


dictionaries


encyclopedias


college education


journalism


and all things knowledgey

This is a compositional error involving people...bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...arctic-waters/



For the First Time, Scientists Prove Human Activity Is the Top Cause of Warming Antarctic Waters
And not regular temperature variations or responses to natural climate change
Kelsey LitwinSeptember 26, 2018 2:45 PM

Spamming is winning your argument, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

they proved it idiots


DIRECTLY with facts


yes frogs are real too and NOT just theories

Science has no proofs.

 

[Into the Night]

Water Vapor would like to have a word with you.

Water vapor cannot warm the Earth using the surface IR. No gas or vapor is capable of doing so. Absorption of surface IR by any gas or vapor does not warm the Earth.

 

[Into the Night]

I am an A-Agnostic when it comes to AGW. The ozone hole thing has actually started improving since the attack on CFC's (which, BTW could be responsible for some of the warming being seen in recent years)

Nope. It has not 'improved' at all. It is a natural phenomenon. It's still there...at both poles.

CFC's are inert. They do not affect ozone in any way. You can put them in a tank of ozone and it will make no difference.

 

[Into the Night]

Club of Rome.

Excellent point. I doubt many people here even know what that is or what it became.

 

[gfm7175]

Scientists have collected the data

Define "the data"...

showing that global warming

Define "global warming"...

and man's impact is a fact

That is not what a fact is. A fact is not a universal truth, nor is it a proof.

and dangerous to our survival.

My guess is we'll be just fine.

there is no discussion about It.

You seem quite close minded in your religion.

it has been proven.

No, it has not... religion is an open functional system. Open functional systems do not have the power of proof.

Question is what do we do ?

Live life like we always have?? That's what I'm gonna do, anyway...

Like I posted before. If by some chance global warming has nothing to do with man, then cutting down on pollution and fossil fuels will change the planet, making it cleaner and safer.

No one burns fossils as fuel.

If it is real, we may be able to save the planet and mankind. The only wrong move is to do nothing and continue polluting the land ,air and water.

I want to take care of the planet, but I do not want to be a Church of Global Warming member.

 

[Nordberg]

Define "the data"...


Define "global warming"...


That is not what a fact is. A fact is not a universal truth, nor is it a proof.


My guess is we'll be just fine.


You seem quite close minded in your religion.


No, it has not... religion is an open functional system. Open functional systems do not have the power of proof.


Live life like we always have?? That's what I'm gonna do, anyway...


No one burns fossils as fuel.


I want to take care of the planet, but I do not want to be a Church of Global Warming member.

You want to be a member of an anti science religion. that requires ignoring or disputing science evidence and theory.
Coal, gas and oil are examples of fossil fuels that we burn. We all burn them,
Science is not religion. Religion is antithesis of science. Religion is based on belief, science on facts and data.

 

[gfm7175]

You want to be a member of an anti science religion. that requires ignoring or disputing science evidence and theory.

Inversion Fallacy. Also, science does not make use of supporting evidence. Only conflicting evidence.

Coal, gas and oil are examples of fossil fuels that we burn. We all burn them,

True, but coal gas and oil are not fossils.

Science is not religion.

Correct.

Religion is antithesis of science.

How so?

Religion is based on belief, science on facts and data.

Science is not based on facts. Facts are not universal truths, nor are they proofs.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. That's it.

Religion is an initial circular argument with other arguments stemming from that initial circular argument. That's it.

 

[Into the Night]

You want to be a member of an anti science religion. that requires ignoring or disputing science evidence and theory.

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is only evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories, not any kind of evidence.

Coal, gas and oil are examples of fossil fuels that we burn. We all burn them,

Coal is primarily carbon. Although it may contain fossils embedded within it, coal itself is not a fossil. The fossils embedded within it are impurities that do not burn.
Natural gas is, well, a GAS. It is not a fossil.
Oil is, well, a liquid. It is not a fossil.

A fossil is an image of a recognizable animal or plant cast in stone, or the void left by such a stone. They do not burn. They are not a fuel.

You use 'fossil fuel' to mean 'evil fuel'. It's your way of washing your hands of what you are really doing.

Science is not religion. Religion is antithesis of science.

WRONG. They are separate things, but they are NOT the antithesis of each other.

Religion is based on belief,

WRONG. Religion is based on an initial circular argument, with other arguments extending from that. Religions do not even require any god or gods.

science on facts and data.

WRONG. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. None of these theories are based on facts or data. No theory contains facts or data as part of that theory. Not even nonscientific theories do that!

 

[Into the Night]

Is there anyone here that can define what 'global warming' or 'climate change' actually mean? Can anyone define them as something other than themselves?

 

[Into the Night]

A lot of claims are made about knowing the temperature of the Earth. To measure a temperature of the Earth, obviously, you need thermometers. Lots of them.

Can anyone describe how many thermometers are used by, say NASA, to measure the temperature of the Earth?