God or Trump?

Yakuda said:
Correct and as i have pointed out even Jesus had his limits. There seems to have been a perversion of the Christian message. Some people seem to believe the message is everything is allowable and to speak against something is not how Jesus did it. Its pure bs.
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Eschewing revenge was, and still is, a radical transformation of human ethos and behavior. Compare that to the glorification of revenge and retribution in other ancient literature.

The second most important person in the Christian tradition after Paul, Saint Augustine of Hippo, certainly didn't see there was an absolute requirement to be completely docile and pacifist in all situations. Augustine wrote that the Christian had to balance the expectations of being a Christian with the expectations of being a citizen. A citizen has an obligation to fight and serve in the military, with the only caveat that Christians should only fight in morally justifiable wars.
 
Cypress said:
Eschewing revenge was, and still is, a radical transformation of human ethos and behavior. Compare that to the glorification of revenge and retribution in other ancient literature.
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Or just look at YOURSELF. You hate with the fire of a thousand suns. Even when I've tried to reach across the aisle and be kind you hit back with hatred and anger.

This is precisely the stuff that you do that make all your talk about morality and ethics and the centrality of Jesus to Western Civilization into one giant lie.
 
Cypress said:
Eschewing revenge was, and still is, a radical transformation of human ethos and behavior. Compare that to the glorification of revenge and retribution in other ancient literature.

The second most important person in the Christian tradition after Paul, Saint Augustine of Hippo, certainly didn't see there was an absolute requirement to be completely docile and pacifist in all situations. Augustine wrote that the Christian had to balance the expectations of being a Christian with the expectations of being a citizen. A citizen has an obligation to fight and serve in the military, with the only caveat that Christians should only fight in morally justifiable wars.
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All true. Lots of people think Aquinas is more relevant though.
 
Obtenebrator said:
Or just look at YOURSELF. You hate with the fire of a thousand suns. Even when I've tried to reach across the aisle and be kind you hit back with hatred and anger.

This is precisely the stuff that you do that make all your talk about morality and ethics and the centrality of Jesus to Western Civilization into one giant lie.
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Forget your meds today Perry?
 
Cypres said:
I'M THE SMARTESTE PERSON ON JPP! SAY IT!!!!
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No.
 
God is rooting for Trump. Leftists are going against the will of God. Leftists are serving Satan.
 
Obtenebrator said:
Hey, supposedly you worship the guy. I can't help it if his instructions are harder than you are capable of so you have to come up with excuses that it's JESUS' fault not yours. :)
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no, but obviously you lie about me as much as you do about Trump.....Jesus isn't about to fall for your lies any more than the rest of us do.....
 
Cypress said:
How Trump liberated the Religious Right from religion
"God made Trump.” So Trump’s platform, Truth Social, now declares. And made him for a divinely appointed mission. By elevating a leader who violates every commandment, MAGA has become a new religion—and like any other new religion, it has created a burst of energy. The old Evangelical Christianity was not quite the right vehicle for Trump. Its replacement is better because it excises the moral element altogether.


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God or Trump? | Commonweal Magazine

It is a mistake to see Trump only as a political leader. In 2024, he is also a cult for Evangelicals who no longer want to be Christians.
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Cypress said:

God or Trump?​

How Trump liberated the Religious Right from religion

"God made Trump.” So Trump’s platform, Truth Social, now declares. And He made him for a divinely appointed mission. This is actually the more discreet form of the new blasphemy.

Some of the former president’s base now treat him like the son of God. It is a mistake to see Trump only as a political leader. In 2024, he is also a cult for Evangelicals who no longer want to be Christians or churchgoers constrained by the Bible or a community of fellow believers. He has liberated them from the Bible, or from biblical morality, which is evidently too great a burden. Their new religion consists of participating in ritual acts where Trump tramples on that old morality in some new and shocking way, intoxicating his supporters with the thought that they, too, are now free to trample on these values.

In a January 11 front-page story published just before the Iowa caucus, the New York Times described these Evangelicals who no longer go to church and instead religiously follow Trump, who never goes to church. Given that Trump’s appeal is all about resentment, something like this was bound to happen. Like elite education, biblical morality was just one more thing about which Trump’s followers could be made to feel bad or looked down upon. So many of them are enraged at being judged, even by the Sermon on the Mount. I was a stranger and you welcomed me? That sounds like Biden. Even if such biblical morality is by now much weaker than it once was, it is still there, as an irritant. Trump relieves his followers of this sense of shame.

By elevating a leader who violates every commandment, MAGA has become a new religion—and like any other new religion, it has created a burst of energy. The old Evangelical Christianity was not quite the right vehicle for Trump. Its replacement is better because it excises the moral element altogether.


www.commonwealmagazine.org

God or Trump? | Commonweal Magazine

It is a mistake to see Trump only as a political leader. In 2024, he is also a cult for Evangelicals who no longer want to be Christians.
www.commonwealmagazine.org www.commonwealmagazine.org
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the new blasphemy.

go fuck yoursef, new inquisitor, satanic peddler of the corrupt traditions of pompous men.
 
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