God's Work

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Two independent sources attribute the quote to the President.

Please provide them; we need more to point out your gullible stupidity with.

 

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Yes, it would be gods' work.

In the context used by Obama?

 

[Jarod]

No I am saying that what he wrote has been used by the Godless Heathen to invoke the separation of Church and State, to ease their aching souls. Don't have to hear it don't have to feel the guilt

Oh, because that's not what you said...

So now you agree that there is a separation clause?

 

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Proof?

You are a liar of epic proportions.

You prove it with every post shit-for-brains. You're just too epically stupid to get it.

 

[Jarod]

How amusing; a dunce who conflates establishment with separation and now doubles down on the stupidity that constantly erupts from his keyboard confusing the RIGHT to bear arms with "anti-gun-control."

You can't help yourself can you dishonest shit-for-brains. And you wonder why I call you stupid? Really?

Are you calling Thomas Jefferson a dunce? He is the one who first conflated the establishment clause with the term "separation of church and state".

 

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You are pretty offended by the possibility of hispanics being white.

Wrong again shit-for-brains; he is offended by the obvious stupidity that keeps erupting from your keyboard. But alas, you're an idiot and too painfully stupid to actually comprehend that.

Dunce.

 

[NOVA]

But how do you know it didn't come from bush's mouth? I'm not trying to be snarky. The Pals in the meeting all say he made the comment. Do you think they made it up to cast him in a bad light?

They are the religious fanatics, why would what they claim cast Bush in a bad light.......why would Bush or any President be meeting with a group of Palestinians and not have
even ONE other American at the meeting.... ? Its just improbable....
Anyway, it something that can't be proven and so is irrelevant....
As every POTUS, since and including George Washington, speak of God, faith, and morality, etc. in their speeches....its happens with regularity...that is not what this thread is about....that is a strawman position...
similar but totally different than telling your supporters they are doing God's work by supporting your pet political policy....

Its typical of pinheads to drive the debate off the specific issue being discussed into strawman territory....

 

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War has a tendency to make e very cranky, healthcare for the poor, not so much.

Healthcare for the poor is called Medicaid... we have had that for almost 50 years.

 

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False about Abbas, he confirmed that Bush said it, but said that he personally took a different meaning form the words. http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

BTW my mistake earlier Abu Mazen and Mahmoud Abbas are the same person.

This is hearsay dunce. You're not very bright for someone who claims they have a law degree. How do you think this second hand hearsay would be received in a court of law Counselor?

 

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Two independent sources attribute the quote to the President.

You mean two palestinian leaders?

 

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What about this? I'm not denying there's no film of that meeting but why should anyone believe the bush admin. over the Pal leaders?

I think we're done here; proof of what a bunch of ignorant dunces Liberals really are. You can't believe the God fearing President; but of course you can believe what Palestinians say.

LMAO; you're just as stupid as I claim you are.

 

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Do you not realize that I am the only one here criticizing President Obama in this incident?

Do you realize that that is not what I am mocking you for?

 

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Man, that's not even close to clever. That's just stupid.

That would be Dune for you. Full of ignorance at every turn.

 

[Phantasmal]

They are the religious fanatics, why would what they claim cast Bush in a bad light.......why would Bush or any President be meeting with a group of Palestinians and not have
even ONE other American at the meeting.... ? Its just improbable....
Anyway, it something that can't be proven and so is irrelevant....
As every POTUS, since and including George Washington, speak of God, faith, and morality, etc. in their speeches....its happens with regularity...that is not what this thread is about....that is a strawman position...
similar but totally different than telling your supporters they are doing God's work by supporting your pet political policy....

Its typical of pinheads to drive the debate off the specific issue being discussed into strawman territory....

I suggest you read, "The Faith of George W. Bush", was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield.

Bush was one of the most religious Presidents we have had, and after reading this book, I do not doubt that Bush made the statement to the Palestinians.

 

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That part of the quote, yes, but this is the part that preceded it.

MINUTES acquired by Haaretz from . . . cease-fire negotiations between Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and faction leaders from the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular and Democratic Fronts reveal some of the factors at play behind the scenes in the effort to achieve a hudna [truce] . . . Abbas said that at Aqaba, [George W.] Bush promised to speak with [Ariel] Sharon about the siege on [Yasser] Arafat. He said nobody can speak to or pressure Sharon except the Americans. According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al-Qa'ida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

What part of Abbas said that at Aqaba do you continue to not comprehend you incredibly stupid dunce?

 

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They are going to obfuscate all day before they will admit to this. what's funny is that I think many conservatives are secretly happy to hear Bush believed this, because they believe God is on the republican's side.

Coming from a dishonest dunce who spends every waking moment trolling this forum with his moronic obfuscations, this is the pinnacle of irony. You really are THAT stupid aren't you?

 

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Who is obfuscating? You're using a quote that didn't even come from Bush's mouth, about which there is some pretty significant disagreement about what was said, from people who don't speak English as a 1st language.

And that, somehow, is enough to write "Bush said this."

Its Garud... he is trying to use big words that he doesn't understand in an attempt to appear intelligent.

 

[NOVA]

Are you calling Thomas Jefferson a dunce? He is the one who first conflated the establishment clause with the term "separation of church and state".

Whats your point ?....It must be viewed in the context it was used in....

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson.


The modern concept of a wholly secular government, and the extremes that idea has been taken to, have nothing to do with Jefferson and is a mis-characterization of the
intent of the First Amendment....it is simply nothing more than a limitation put on gov. power when it comes the free exercise of religion.

 

[christiefan915]

You mean two palestinian leaders?

Yes, the two who were at the meeting.

This meeting was completely off the radar in June 2003 when there was still a lot of fervor for the Iraq invasion. Two years later, not so much. That's when bush's spokesman came out and denied the comments. Yet not a peep out of the WH in the 2+ years from when bush actually made the comments, not even when they were printed in Ha'aretz three weeks after the meeting. Doesn't that seem hinky to you?

 

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You're asking the wrong question. The onus of proof is on the person who claimed he said it - who also said that it's when he/she know Bush was going to invade Iraq, even though it wasn't reported until 2005.

And ONE Palestinian said he uttered that exact phrase; the other Palestinian claims he said something quite different. How can you give credibility to 2 such disparate quotes, from people who don't speak English as a 1st language?

Ur a Bush apologist.