Good question Bill Maher

Complete speculation on your part.

Besides, Illinois is a very blue state. Illinois' other senator Dick Durbin, voted against the war resolution (as I recall, check me on that). If Durbin did, I can EASILY see Obama voting against it.

You are absolutely correct my friend.

Durbin was one of TWENTY-THREE US Senators to vote AGAINST the Iraq Resolution .. and at the time, Durbin was thinking of running for president.

Isn't it interesting how many on the right now look to condemn Obama because they think he might have cast a mindless vote THAT WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THEIR POSITION.

We all agree how mindlessly stupid that vote was but when those mindless votes were cast, Obama was very clear on his position.

His speech he delivered at an antiwar rally October 2002 ...

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
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End of story.

The rest is nothing more than speculative bullshit.
 
No amount of spin, can wash away the fact, that what Obama said in 2002 - in the face of a massive propaganda machine pushing for the war - was 100% correct:


I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

--Barak Obama 2002
 
Well, I'd have to agree now, he should be given the beneift of the doubt.

But, I am opposed to all wars. They always represent a failure of some sort and they are all dumb wars.
 
to the simpletons on the far left opposing war is good enough to be president.
Obama is good enough to be Hillary's VP and her expanding lead over him proves the American people won't support him.:clink:
 
Hillary Girl is wearing his schoolgirl crush on his sleeve again.

I knew hopeless guys in high school who didn't realize until it was too late how wrong they were...
 
"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

And with that line, the "inexperienced" candidate displays more wisdom & good judgment than the cumulative "experience" of Hillary, Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al. could ever hope for....
 
And the pussy lori and cypress castro relive their youth by picking the farthest lefty who has zero shot.
I'm a realist, Hillary is the next pres
What will I do, buy Myrelly Lynch
 
And the pussy lori and cypress castro relive their youth by picking the farthest lefty who has zero shot.
I'm a realist, Hillary is the next pres
What will I do, buy Myrelly Lynch

Nope. This shu thing has killed her. The old clinton ways will damn her too.
 
How discerning toppy is. "She's the frontrunner, so I'm voting for her, and anyone who votes for a better actual candidate is a wuss."

Howard Dean was the 'sure thing' in '04, also. Mindless drones like you are what gave us Bush for 2 consecutive terms...
 
ASShat I'd beat you down worse than your office depot boss does.
Lori, Hillary is 1,000 times smarter than your love boy Dean.
I'm voting for the next president. You want to waist your on 1,000 to one shot join the Ross Perot wanna bee's have at it.
 
"Lori, Hillary is 1,000 times smarter than your love boy Dean"

She's nothing but a phony. She has no core whatsoever.

Oh...and if you think you're getting "Clintonomics, the sequel," sit tight on that one....
 
We'll see I'm supporting the next president.
What lucky loser is adding to his legions of morons by getting your support?
 
Hillary may win the nomination and if she does I cant see one damn R in the running I would vote for over her.

I will vote for her if she is the dem choice because as flawed as the Dems are they are a much lesser evil than this current R party.

At least the monied interests will have a harder time getting their hands deeper into the Dems panties than the panties they have already had custom designed for the Rs to wear for easy access.
 
If she does win, she'll kill Dems on the national ticket, and we're looking at gridlock for 4 years until she gets ousted.

It will be an incredibly ineffective Presidency...
 
"We'll see I'm supporting the next president."

Did you say the same thing with pride about Bush in the '04 election, simply because he was ahead in the polls?

Great legacy you've got there...
 
ASShat I'd beat you down worse than your office depot boss does.
Lori, Hillary is 1,000 times smarter than your love boy Dean.
I'm voting for the next president. You want to waist your on 1,000 to one shot join the Ross Perot wanna bee's have at it.


Toppy, you're an imbecile. you spew braindead neocon mantras of cruelty and fallback to condescension and elitism when your ass gets stomped. So stop embarrassing yourself and put your unwarranted egotism on extinguish. In other words, STFU.
 
If she does win, she'll kill Dems on the national ticket, and we're looking at gridlock for 4 years until she gets ousted.

It will be an incredibly ineffective Presidency...


The next president will very likely be a one termer no matter who it is.

The post war time will be very uncomfortable for anyone who wins election.
 
Asshat, is it office depot or home depot you clerck at?

Lori, at noon if Bush said it's clear outsid you'd say it's dark, because your a fucking poor moron.
I wish someone far left of Hillary could win, I don't see it though.
 
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