Adam Weinberg
Goldwater Republican
Well, he's on record as saying George Bush is better than Ron Paul because he believes in more government.
GOP Debate: Ron Paul is getting booed
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FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
LOL
Screw a few hundred thousand lives if we can have more government.
Screw a few hundred thousand lives if we can have more government.
Dang.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
It sounds as though you are a good politically active American .. and I have nothing negative to say about that. However, I think your candidate is the most dangerous person in the race, even more dangerous than Guiliani. If I appear too happy about knowing he has no chance in hell of winning the nomination or the presidency, it's because I am. I've even sent a check to Chris Peden who's running against him in CD14, his own district. I've haven't sent a republican a check since Jack Kemp and if Peden beats him I'm getting drunk, which I haven't done since I was 17.
I find his supporters interesting though, made friends with a few, and even spoke at a Paul meetup .. not against him of course, but about the proven fraud of electronic voting.
I find the self-hypnotic trance that his supporters can put themselves in quite interesting. Scientific polls don't matter, only fake ones like web polls and straw polls. A "war chest" of 2.3 million dollars proves a lot of people are sending him money. 600 people at a campaign stop proves America is turned onto his message. None of that is real. Scientific polls have been getting it right or fairly close for a long time. In a presidential race 2.3 mil is peanuts, and some presidential candidates draw as many as 10,000 people.
I agree with you about both Giuliani and McCain, and I'd toss a reluctant dinasaur in Fred Thompson oevr the cliff with them.
But none of them are talking about getting rid of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the CIA, IRS, FEMA, Dept. Labor, Education, Enegry, or all the hard fought for social safety nets in this country. Americans want nationalized health care just like every other industrialized nation on the planet, do you seriously believe they want to eliminate all safety nets?
How dumb is the notion of getting rid of the CIA? .. Mindboggling dumb. That's gotta be one of the dumbest ideas in the history of dumb ideas. Replace it with what? States rights? You mean this nation doesn't need an intelligence service with global reach? The CIA got it right on 9/11, Bush ignored it.
Go back to the gold standard? What other nation still uses the gold standard? Ask the rest of the world why they don't use it .. or why we stopped.
Ron Paul couldn't get a bill passed if his life depended on it. The rest of Congress doesn't respect him. With all the years he's been in Congress he's never chaired a committee or even a sub-committee. They think he's a kook.
Dumb ideas, no socio-ethical responsibility for Americans, vile and disgusting associations, no respect among his peers, and a creep racist history.
You may be able to ignore all this, but I doubt if most Americans can .. evidenced by his miserable numbers.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
If people in his own party don't like him, how much support do you think he gets from the rest of America?
uscitizen
Villified User
I read where some was painting his name on rooftops near an airport or something.
I guess it is one of those ad campaigns like they did for the little two wheeled car thing that was going to revoloutinize the world.
Segway...
And it did right ?
I have yet to see one of those things goofy stand up things in person.
They are cool tech wise, butt.....
Adam Weinberg
Goldwater Republican
You forgot the Federal Reserve System.
But anyhow, that's not all accurate, and if you think the nature of his candidacy is that simple, you're missing the spirt and message of it.
In this very campaign Ron Paul has committed to maintain some of those things. He probably in this campaign has talked more about Social Security and Medicare than any of the other candidates (and if the debate moderators would actually ask him about issues other than Iraq, you might hear this).
Ron Paul isn't just talking about scrapping bureaucracy for the sake of it as much as he is trying to pin-point when government bureaucracy is doing harm.
He's never said in his campaign "We ought to just get rid of the CIA!" what he said is that we have every right to gather intelligence, but we shouldn't assume more departments (DHS) and more Presidential Power (Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act) are the solutions.
This is primarily the reason why you're nuts to defend George W. Bush or Rudy Giuliani. Sure, they'll give you more government departments (not good ones), but they'll take away your basic freedoms too. This should offend you, but it doesn't.
Ron Paul says we need to see foreign and domestic policy as closer together, that limiting government coercion should be considered both here and abroad. And the CIA for many decades has been a tool of coercion used to subvert democracies around the world, install dictatorships, and intervene in the affairs of other nations to our detriment.
It's not wrong to question the government just because you are the beneficiary of some nice things from it. It's dangerous not to.
Self-hypnotic trance??? You can do better than this nonsense.
"Scientific polls" have been wrong, widespread, before. Like before, technology is changing the landscape for polling. While these telephone polls are probably closer to reality that the online and straw polls, I believe they are missing an improtant trend, for which if they do not correct, they're accuracy will again be questioned. Further, the poll questions can have an affect on the answer.
Who's drawing 10000?
I agree with you about both Giuliani and McCain, and I'd toss a reluctant dinasaur in Fred Thompson oevr the cliff with them.
Hyperbolic fearmongering nonsense.
Because it acted as a check on their inflationary policies.
Who gives a crap? The people that voted us into Iraq, Patriot Act, warrantless searches, etc., these are the basis for your argument from authority?
BS and more BS. On the racist issue, I can only assume you are referring to the debunked fluff about the article he did not write.
Litmus
Verified User
You people are ageist, sexist and racist. You should be ashamed, yet you strut around like idiots, displaying your bigotry for all to see.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Polls being wrong are far from the norm. As I said and is clearly supported by evidence is that scientific polls get it right or come close almost all the time.
Your ability to discount this glaringly obvious fact is indicative of that trance-like ability I'm talkig about.
Sen. Obama Rallies in Atlanta Draws Over 20,000
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=95404
Obama draws 10,000 to California rally
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-03-18-obama-rally_N.htm
Nearly 10,000 Americans Join Senators Clinton and Murray in Pressing The FDA on Plan B
http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/statements/details.cfm?id=248085
Well thought out response.
Wrong. Because you cannot control hoarding and greed and the price of gold, like any metal, fluctuates.
SEE: Great Depression.
People with brains give a crap. If the man can't get a bill passed and his peers don't respect him, how the fuck is he going to run the country?
You may have the luxury of ignoring what has been conclusively proven, but I do not, nor do millions of Americans. Beyond the "He didn't say that" trance-like ability, I challenge you to deny his associations and participations with vile racist hate groups.
Can't do that, can you?
I rest my case.
WC Grouch
New member
He's despised by the evangelical wing of the party. He plans to win the nomination by appealing to the libertarian wing of the party....Long shot for sure but sometimes you win when you bet on the long shot.
Your ability to construct a strawman and use ad homs are glaringly obvious. I am not discounting anything. My point is, is that there are changes at work in the use of technology (i.e., phones) that might make these polls fail on a widespread as technology changes caused what was considered "scientific polls" to fail before.
No need for much more when your comments were without much merit. Besides that, Adam had already went into to detail about your inaccurate claims as well as I could. There was not any need to repeat his comments.
Hoarding of gold was never a real problem. Greed??? Let's say it's an issue that needs to be addressed by the state, how is that controlled through fiat money? The price of gold fluctuates, so? The price of money fluctuates now.
You think the Great Depression was caused by the gold standard? lol... Care to explain?
Have not heard any of them complaining yet.
Do you understand the division of powers between congress and the President?
You have not proven jackshit. It is clear he did not write the article.
You will have to give some info on what groups to which you are referring.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Republicans aren't libertarians in spite of what Neal Boortz has to say. In fact, there aren't enough many libertarians in the whole of America to get him the republican nomination. If that's who he's appealing to, then his poll numbers are about right .. 0-2%.
Battleborne
Terminator
LOL...............
Ya are a funny guy Black...however I know my bio bro...he set ya up for a fall...ya are lucky he is a busy guy and all...or your proverbial butt would pucker from the fall...he does have a IQ of over 160 and loves to play with fools!...Enjoy your rant though....
Ya are a funny guy Black...however I know my bio bro...he set ya up for a fall...ya are lucky he is a busy guy and all...or your proverbial butt would pucker from the fall...he does have a IQ of over 160 and loves to play with fools!...Enjoy your rant though....
He's also attracting a lot of independents, dems, young people and people who just gave up on voting. His numbers will be above 2% and if you care to we can place money on it.
Battleborne
Terminator
LOL..............
if people would just read other peoples bio's they would be set free...Paul was a AF surgeon...so I suppose he could be called a Healer...unlike the BS of the oppostition...but hey I still am going for Hunter....he was Army and all...my bro was AF...blood is thicker than water...but hey I am a Army guy...my Bro was AF...
if people would just read other peoples bio's they would be set free...Paul was a AF surgeon...so I suppose he could be called a Healer...unlike the BS of the oppostition...but hey I still am going for Hunter....he was Army and all...my bro was AF...blood is thicker than water...but hey I am a Army guy...my Bro was AF...
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
And technology makes scientific polls fail how?
Scientific polls remain THE most accurate polling and are often used as a benchmark to determine fair elections.
What Adam said was inaccurate so you're right, no need to repeat what didn't work before.
Sure I do.
University at California Berkley
The gold standard and the Great Depression.
The current judgment of economic historians (see, for example, Barry J. Eichengreen, Golden Fetters) is that attachment to the gold standard played a major part in keeping governments from fighting the Great Depression, and was a major factor turning the recession of 1929-1931 into the Great Depression of 1931-1941.
Countries that were not on the gold standard in 1929--or that quickly abandoned the gold standard--by and large escaped the Great Depression
Countries that abandoned the gold standard in 1930 and 1931 suffered from the Great Depression, but escaped its worst ravages.
Countries that held to the gold standard through 1933 (like the United States) or 1936 (like France) suffered the worst from the Great Depression
Commitment to the gold standard prevented Federal Reserve action to expand the money supply in 1930 and 1931--and forced President Hoover into destructive attempts at budget-balancing in order to avoid a gold standard-generated run on the dollar.
Commitment to the gold standard left countries vulnerable to "runs" on their currencies--Mexico in January of 1995 writ very, very large. Such a run, and even the fear that there might be a future run, boosted unemployment and amplified business cycles during the gold standard era.
The standard interpretation of the Depression, dating back to Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz's Monetary History of the United States, is that the Federal Reserve could have but for some mysterious reason did not boost the money supply to cure the Depression; but Friedman and Schwartz do not stress the role played by the gold standard in tieing the Federal Reserve's hands--the "golden fetters" of Eichengreen.
Friedman was and is aware of the role played by the gold standard--hence his long time advocacy of floating exchange rates, the antithesis of the gold standard.
Why Do Some Still Advocate a Gold Standard?
- A belief that governments and central banks should not control the average rate of inflation over decades, and that the world will be better off if the long-run drift of the price level is determined "automatically."
- A belief that bondholders and investors will be reassured by a government committed to a gold standard, will be confident that inflation rates will be low, and so will bid down nominal interest rates. Of course, if you do not trust a central bank to keep inflation low, why should you trust it to remain on the gold standard for generations? This large hole in the supposed case for a gold standard is not addressed.
- Failure to recognize the role played by the gold standard in amplifying and propagating the Great Depression.
- Failure to recognize that the international monetary system functions best when the burden-of-adjustment is spread between balance-of-payments "surplus" and "deficit" countries, rather than being loaded exclusively onto "deficit" countries.
- Failure to recognize how gold convertibility increases the likelihood of a run on the currency, and thus amplifies recessions.
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Politics/whynotthegoldstandard.html
If "them" aren't aware that a man who can't get legislation passed and isn't respected by his peers to the point where he's never led committee in all his years in Congress, then I wouldn't call "them" politically astute people.
What? Do you undestand the functions of congress and people elected to serve in it. Paul has a VAPID legislative record and can't get some of his bills even out of the introduction stage, even afetr he's introduced and re-introduced them in every session of Congress he's been in, like his HR 1146.
Now here's your chance to back up that bullshit you're saying and prove me wrong. Let's see how fast you run away from this.
I've already done that many times as I do everytime I hear a Paul supporter recant the "he didn't say that" bullshit, which flies in the gace of what Paul himself said as he called the writings his "tongue in-cheek academic writings."
They can claim blindness to his writings but they can't make the same claim about these vile groups and people.
The Neo-Confederate Movement held a symposium on "Secession, State, and Economy" in Charleston, South Carolina. Speaker: Ron Paul.
http://web.archive.org/web/20000919191637/http://www.templeofdemocracy.com/Essay1.htm
A "movement" that professes shit like this, "A major factor in the monopoly by black athletes of our major sports is that many white potential athletes refuse to enter a sport that is dominated by blacks and to live in close personal and intimate contact with blacks that is required on athletic teams."
Sure. Superior athletic talent had nothing to do with it.
Stormfront White Nationalist Community - Is Ron Paul the One
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html
Lake Jackson News: Clear Media Conspiracy Against Ron Paul
http://lakejacksonnews.blogspot.com/2007/05/clear-media-conspiracy-against-ron-paul.html
Heritage Front
http://www.heritagefront.com/updates/lobbyhf.html#9
Political Cesspool
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/guestlist.php
Vanguard News Network, Council on Conservative Citizens, Christian Identity Network, David Duke, Jared Taylor, Chris Simcox, Larry Pratt, Pete Peters, and many others.
Let me see .. he didn't do that.
I expect you'll now do what every other Paul supporters has done when faced with irrefutable evidence and change the subject.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Independents, dems, and young people who haven't registered as republicans cannot vote in CLOSED republican primaries .. or didn't you know that?
There are relatively few states that still have open primaries and if any of those states get challenged, they won't have them either.
WHY? .. Because open primaries violate the 1st Amendment and are unconstitutional .. so says the supreme Court .. AND .. republicans are closing their primaries as fast as they can with several states closing them recently. Mississippi will close theirs just in the nick of time for their primary.
His numbers may rise above 2% and he has even risen to an historic all-time high of 3%, but he'll never reach double digits and I doubt he'll ever see 5%.
You are aware that when he ran for President as a Libertarian he got 000000000000000000000.05% of the vote?
Keep your money.