GOP Debate: Ron Paul is getting booed

Silly Boy....................

blackascoal said:
Independents, dems, and young people who haven't registered as republicans cannot vote in CLOSED republican primaries .. or didn't you know that?

There are relatively few states that still have open primaries and if any of those states get challenged, they won't have them either.

WHY? .. Because open primaries violate the 1st Amendment and are unconstitutional .. so says the supreme Court .. AND .. republicans are closing their primaries as fast as they can with several states closing them recently. Mississippi will close theirs just in the nick of time for their primary.

His numbers may rise above 2% and he has even risen to an historic all-time high of 3%, but he'll never reach double digits and I doubt he'll ever see 5%.

You are aware that when he ran for President as a Libertarian he got 000000000000000000000.05% of the vote?

Keep your money.
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anyone can re-register for the primaries...lost are ya?
 
What Adam said was inaccurate so you're right, no need to repeat what didn't work before.
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It was accurate, you just think "because I said so" is an adequate response to anything, and we're here to remind you that it's not.

Now I will address what I continue to see as a disparate collection of online resources that you are using to peddle a false assertion about Ron Paul.


The Neo-Confederate Movement held a symposium on "Secession, State, and Economy" in Charleston, South Carolina. Speaker: Ron Paul.
http://web.archive.org/web/20000919191637/http://www.templeofdemocracy.com/Essay1.htm
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Uh, no. "The Neo-Confederate Movement" is a label given by the author of that page to a wide variety of individuals and organizations that have little or nothing to do with one another. You selected the title and then knowingly are trying to deceive the reader into assuming you are correct because otherwise they would have to wade through the pages upon pages of information you are throwing at them.

In that link there is one mention of Ron Paul for a speech related to Texas (and possibly Federalism) at a symposium that is not even in its entirety explained within the actual text.

Try again.

Stormfront White Nationalist Community - Is Ron Paul the One
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html
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I know plenty about Stormfront, of course, because it is also a center of anti-Jewish activity. You'll find in this very discussion among its membership that many do not agree with Ron Paul because they say his politics is not based on a commitment to the supremacy of the "White Race" as is theirs, but that he is in fact, simply a small government conservative.

You don't become a racist because someone out on the world wide web who is racist may agree on some of your attitudes or procedures for government. You become a racist if you are, in fact, a racist.

Lake Jackson News: Clear Media Conspiracy Against Ron Paul
http://lakejacksonnews.blogspot.com/2007/05/clear-media-conspiracy-against-ron-paul.html
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This website is run by one asshole, who, while disgusting and very misinformed about many issues related to the Jewish people, is not representative of Ron Paul's position on the issues. Ron Paul has had many opportunities to attack Israel and the Jewish people and he does not as this man does.

If anything, when approached about Israel, Ron Paul points to our support for Saudi Arabia as contributing to danger in the region and his support of Israel standing up for its own defense, while being empowered to craft agreements with its neighbors based in its needs and not U.S. government policy.

Heritage Front
http://www.heritagefront.com/updates/lobbyhf.html#9
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Substantively, this link means even less than your original link where the writers decided FOR US that the Ludwig von Mises Institute was "Neo-Confederate" because it advocated Austrian-School economics.

This is really a very impotent collection of links you've got here that you selected as "evidence".

Political Cesspool
http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/guestlist.php
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So? There's a very a well-known man in San Francisco who hosts a program just like this...his name's Michael Savage. Does it cast more suspicion on Ron Paul simply because he was on a lesser known call-in radio program that has also hosted David Duke?

Alan Colmes (Jewish Guy) has had both David Duke and Ron Paul on his radio program before as well. Does Alan support David Duke? David Duke definitely doesn't support Alan!

People in political positions make countless on-air interviews to explain their views on issues. That does not mean they endorse anyone else's views in doing so.

You are wrong. Ron Paul is not a bigot--but you are--because you are so against free market economic views that you would rather keep Neo-Conservatives in charge of this country, and pat them on the back as if they were humanitarians for giving you bigger government, and I find that very offensive.
 
Independents, dems, and young people who haven't registered as republicans cannot vote in CLOSED republican primaries .. or didn't you know that?
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I think you should make a decision whether you take the rhetorical approach of "Ron Paul has no support", or whether you believe simply there are methods by which his support will be effectively silenced. If your attempts here at JPP are any indication, you seem threatened enough to want to try to silence anyone who tries to point out to you the formation of a sizable movement behind Ron Paul.

There are relatively few states that still have open primaries and if any of those states get challenged, they won't have them either.

WHY? .. Because open primaries violate the 1st Amendment and are unconstitutional .. so says the supreme Court .. AND .. republicans are closing their primaries as fast as they can with several states closing them recently. Mississippi will close theirs just in the nick of time for their primary.
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Independents are allowed to vote in North Carolina in one primary of their choice. The glee you seem to express in that 5-4 Supreme Court ruling is questionable, since under those circumstances, it could also be argued that a CLOSED primary is unconstitutional.

You are aware that when he ran for President as a Libertarian he got 000000000000000000000.05% of the vote?
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No, you're wrong. Maybe if you weren't so busy putting extra zeros before the decimal point that didn't need to be there, you'd realize that you had also added another one after the decimal point.

Ron Paul won half-a-percent of the votes that year, or: 431,750 votes on a third party ticket.

Or in raw numbers: 0.5%

The number you wrote represents far less than he actually received.

But maybe you did it on purpose, again, to deceive the reader.
 
Adam Weinberg said:
It was accurate, you just think "because I said so" is an adequate response to anything, and we're here to remind you that it's not.
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So .. it's you who get to determine who's accurate .. or do I get to have an opinion on that? What kind of argument is this?

Now I will address what I continue to see as a disparate collection of online resources that you are using to peddle a false assertion about Ron Paul.

Uh, no. "The Neo-Confederate Movement" is a label given by the author of that page to a wide variety of individuals and organizations that have little or nothing to do with one another. You selected the title and then knowingly are trying to deceive the reader into assuming you are correct because otherwise they would have to wade through the pages upon pages of information you are throwing at them.

In that link there is one mention of Ron Paul for a speech related to Texas (and possibly Federalism) at a symposium that is not even in its entirety explained within the actual text.

Try again.
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I provide links EXPECTING the reader to link to them and disgest the information contained. I've "selected" nothing but posted information for others to digest and draw their own conclusions .. These conclusions are shared by a lot of Americans.
http://www.rtis.com/reg/bcs/pol/touchstone/february99/neoconf.html

Your rejection of Paul's connection to neo-confederate groups is downright silly and disingenuous given the plethora of evidence available.

Dixie Daily news
http://www.southerncaucus.org/

What in the fuck kind of presidential candidate is surrounded by such people?

I know plenty about Stormfront, of course, because it is also a center of anti-Jewish activity. You'll find in this very discussion among its membership that many do not agree with Ron Paul because they say his politics is not based on a commitment to the supremacy of the "White Race" as is theirs, but that he is in fact, simply a small government conservative.

You don't become a racist because someone out on the world wide web who is racist may agree on some of your attitudes or procedures for government. You become a racist if you are, in fact, a racist.
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Whether he's a racist or not in your opinion is hardly the point. I ask again, what sane politician surrounds himself with such people.

I have no clue, no do I care to, of how you reconcile your jewishness with someone who has such associations, but there is no reconcilliation or excuses that make any goddamn sense in the world for me.

This website is run by one asshole, who, while disgusting and very misinformed about many issues related to the Jewish people, is not representative of Ron Paul's position on the issues. Ron Paul has had many opportunities to attack Israel and the Jewish people and he does not as this man does.

If anything, when approached about Israel, Ron Paul points to our support for Saudi Arabia as contributing to danger in the region and his support of Israel standing up for its own defense, while being empowered to craft agreements with its neighbors based in its needs and not U.S. government policy.
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I've not said a single word about Paul and his thoughts about Israel. Whether he's a friend of Israel or not makes no difference to me. I'm no friend of Israel which does not say I am an enemy of jewish people.

People in political positions make countless on-air interviews to explain their views on issues. That does not mean they endorse anyone else's views in doing so.
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Sane politicians do not surround themselves with such groups and people and most certainly do not participate with them. If you have no problem with his associations, then that's your problem, but if you think many Americans aren't disgusted by this, that's your problem as well. But there is no groundswell of support rushing to the side of Paul. His poll numbers and sorry ass fundraising are reflective of the disinterest and rejection by the majoriy of Americans.

You are wrong. Ron Paul is not a bigot--but you are--because you are so against free market economic views that you would rather keep Neo-Conservatives in charge of this country, and pat them on the back as if they were humanitarians for giving you bigger government, and I find that very offensive.
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Let me be clear .. I don't give a damn about what you find offensive. You argue from a position of weakness.

Paul reguarly denounces civil rights organizations that he says "interferes" .. post ONE comment of his that denounces, disassociates, or distances himself from the vile groups he participates with.

I would have more respect for people like you if you simply said you don't care what racist associations Paul has, he's your candidate in spite of it. But your whining and denials of what is clearly visible is dishonest and pointless.

If you think such a man could ever become president then it's a demonstration that you don't know shit about politics.
 
Are the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan Neo Confederates?

bac, you are engaging in a completely dihonest and ridiculous attempt to smear.

Paul reguarly denounces civil rights organizations that he says "interferes" .. post ONE comment of his that denounces, disassociates, or distances himself from the vile groups he participates with.
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"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty." - Ron Paul
 
Adam Weinberg said:
I think you should make a decision whether you take the rhetorical approach of "Ron Paul has no support", or whether you believe simply there are methods by which his support will be effectively silenced. If your attempts here at JPP are any indication, you seem threatened enough to want to try to silence anyone who tries to point out to you the formation of a sizable movement behind Ron Paul.
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Silly.

"Threatened by 0-2%"

NO, I don't sit back and allow people like you to fabricate any "sizeable movement" and YOU are threatened by that. There is no "sizeable movement" and no associated sizable fundraising. Paul has more threads here than any other candidate and people like you throw one up for anything you try to interpret as "good news." Sometimes, like now, there are 2 or 3 Paul thraeds at the same time, ofetn talking about the same thing. You are trying to fabricate movement when there is none.

Regardless of what you think about scientific polls, if there was indeed real movement on Paul it would be reflected as it is for every other candidate.

Independents are allowed to vote in North Carolina in one primary of their choice. The glee you seem to express in that 5-4 Supreme Court ruling is questionable, since under those circumstances, it could also be argued that a CLOSED primary is unconstitutional.
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I don't care about what "could be argued" .. what has been legally and constitutionally argued and determined is that open primaries are unconstitutional.

"There are relatively few states that still have open primaries and if any of those states get challenged, they won't have them either."

You have no sane challenge to that .. other than something about independents in North Carolina .. which also makes my point.

No, you're wrong. Maybe if you weren't so busy putting extra zeros before the decimal point that didn't need to be there, you'd realize that you had also added another one after the decimal point.

Ron Paul won half-a-percent of the votes that year, or: 431,750 votes on a third party ticket.

Or in raw numbers: 0.5%

The number you wrote represents far less than he actually received.

But maybe you did it on purpose, again, to deceive the reader.
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"Decieve the reader"??? ... you mean from knowing his powerful numbers of 00000000000.5%? :shock:

Admitedly, I take pleasure .. make that GREAT pleasure in torching Ron Paul's ass. In my opinion, he's the most dangerous and loony-tunes candidate running. Sure, I know he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of EVER being president, but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying his demise.

As long as people like you keep throwing up these meaningless Paul threads, I'm going to offer my opinion. I've duly noted that you don't care for my opinion and I've filed that in its appropriate place.
 
RStringfield said:
Are the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan Neo Confederates?
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Be my guest to believe that.

bac, you are engaging in a completely dihonest and ridiculous attempt to smear.

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty." - Ron Paul
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In other words, you can't find a single comment of his denouncing his friends .. as I thought.
 
blackascoal said:
Be my guest to believe that.
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I did not ask for permission to believe anything. I asked YOU the question of whether you believed they were and once again (as you did when I pointed out your contradiction on Feingold/Boortz lism) you are evading. You gonna pack up and run away again as well?

In other words, you can't find a single comment of his denouncing his friends .. as I thought.
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The quote denounces racism and all of those who think in that mindset.
 
Interesting conversation you linked to on Stormfront there bac. Here's a little excerpt of these skinhead morons debating about Paul's qualifications since he doesn't see ensuring the white race's survival as priority number one.

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Re: Is Ron Paul the One?

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Originally Posted by AryanKingdom [/B]For those of who whom Ron Paul is not “the one” could you give your reasoning and say something useful instead of just nay saying.

Son of Liberty
Ha.

Well what exactly do you mean by the one?

Certainly, Ron Paul is one of the best 'mainstream' politicians out there. I am certainly going to vote for him. Having said that he isn't a Nationalist, so he isn't the savior. He'd wouldn't hesitate to call any one of us a 'hater' and 'bigot' just as any other politician would, so I'll keep my distance.
 
Zogby - 3%

Gallup - 3%

CNN - 2%

American Research - 2%

USA Today - 5%

Fox News - 2%

Associated Press - 1%

NBC News/Wall Strett Journal - 2%

CBS News - 2%

ABC News/Washington Post - 2%

Cook political Report - 3%

Pew Research Center - 1%

Ron Paul's national average - 2.4%

WOW .. what a "revolution"

America is not clamoring for Ron Paul by any stretch of the spammer imagination.

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Warren said:
Interesting conversation you linked to on Stormfront there bac. Here's a little excerpt of these skinhead morons debating about Paul's qualifications since he doesn't see ensuring the white race's survival as priority number one.

Son of Liberty
American Patriot




Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southern California
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Re: Is Ron Paul the One?

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Originally Posted by AryanKingdom [/B]For those of who whom Ron Paul is not “the one” could you give your reasoning and say something useful instead of just nay saying.

Son of Liberty
Ha.

Well what exactly do you mean by the one?

Certainly, Ron Paul is one of the best 'mainstream' politicians out there. I am certainly going to vote for him. Having said that he isn't a Nationalist, so he isn't the savior. He'd wouldn't hesitate to call any one of us a 'hater' and 'bigot' just as any other politician would, so I'll keep my distance.
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Well that ignorant racist 'son of liberty' is right about one thing. Nationalism is what we need more of. The enemies of america have infected our minds with this internationalist bullshit. I can tell you one thing in china, "internationalism" means "chinese nationalism". Here, "internationalism" means our elite in business and government selling out americans in the interests of foreign powers and peoples.
 
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blackascoal said:
America is not clamoring for Ron Paul by any stretch of the spammer imagination.
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America is not clamoring for anybody at the moment. But somehow, Ron Paul is second in fundraising in New Hampshire among Republican candidates, third in Iowa and first in donations from the military out of the entire Presidential field.

This is a top-tier campaign, and you don't know what tomorrow will bring. Please, save yourself from saying anything you'll regret. I don't regret promoting Ron Paul no matter the result. I'm proud of him.

But your dismissive approach to this subject will be proven wrong, one way or another.
 
blackascoal said:
Zogby - 3%

Gallup - 3%

CNN - 2%

American Research - 2%

USA Today - 5%

Fox News - 2%

Associated Press - 1%

NBC News/Wall Strett Journal - 2%

CBS News - 2%

ABC News/Washington Post - 2%

Cook political Report - 3%

Pew Research Center - 1%

Ron Paul's national average - 2.4%

WOW .. what a "revolution"

America is not clamoring for Ron Paul by any stretch of the spammer imagination.

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Wow - just a month ago he was at 0.5%!!!!!


If he keeps this up, by next July he could have as much as 5%!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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